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    "Protests in the 70s worked because everyone was affected by the DRAFT."

    If protests worked because of the draft, why was the war not over long before January 1, 1970?  You can ignore reality just so long.  By that date, 45,000 of the total American dead from that war had been killed.  Sorry, your argument doesn't hold water.

    Nixon began the long and ultimately bloody process of disengaging from the war due largely to economic reasons.  LBJ had refused to raise taxes to pay for the massive increase in military spending, deferring the cost year after year.  When Nixon took office in 1969, he was stuck with a hell of tab for the previous four years, and he knew he didn't dare raise taxes either.  That, as much as anything drove him to begin limiting our military involvement, but still we kept it up until the summer of 1973, when Congress finally refused to authorize funding for any more bombing (the only thing we were doing militarily at that point, but still quite extensive action).  If the burgeoning Watergate scandal hadn't damaged his political capital, I wonder if Congress would have been so daring.

    I have nothing but respect for the vast majority of the people who devoted themselves to stopping the Vietnam War, but frankly, I don't see how anyone can say that what they did amounted to very much.  What really changed a lot of minds in the area I lived was the invasion of Cambodia.  Suddenly, the man who supposedly had a secret plan to end the war was expanding it into yet another country, and an extraordinary number of my fellow students who'd started out that school year as rabid hawks took a look at the calendar and realized that their 18th birthday was only 9-18 months away.  At that point, flag lapel pins were thrown away, short hair cuts started lengthening into ponytails, and Joe McDonald's "Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die Rag" started being sung in the hallways by people who previously had been singing the praises of Mayor Daley.

    "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

    by JJB on Thu May 19, 2005 at 11:51:37 AM PDT

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    •  Your mind is made up (none)
      And so is mine.

      I see a big difference between Bush's War and Nam. Here it is:

      Bush's War is being fought by the poor. Nam was more "democratic."

      I'm done discussing this with you.

      •  Oh, Get Off It! (none)
        Do you have any idea who made up the Army and Marines in 'Nam?

        Let me put it this way, I have 5 cousins who were prime draft bait in the Vietnam years, none of them came from anything better than an Archie Bunker type background (fathers were cops, truck drivers, assembly line workers, etc.).  None of them got drafted.  Not all of them got into college either.  They were at the lowest level of what you could call the middle class, but they still managed to get out of the meatgrinder.

        The grunts in 'Nam were the blacks from the urban ghettos and Dixie sharecropper betls, the Deep South/Appalachian/Bible Belt whites, the inner city working class whites who dropped out of school, the kids with Spanish surnames from the barrios of the big cities and rural Southwest and California.

        "The Draft will keep us from mindlessly fighting stupid wars" is the biggest urban legend currently in circulation.

        "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

        by JJB on Thu May 19, 2005 at 04:46:53 PM PDT

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