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  •  Whoa, Bill Maher!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, BruinKid

    You are wrong about this:

    No Office of Faith-Based Initiatives.
    Three days after Obama voted "for" FISA fiasco '08, he said if he were elected in the fall he'd increase funding for the 'office of faith-based initiatives' and expand it.  Check the Wikipedia article.  It's still going strong under Obama and the reichwingnuts still have their foot in the doorway as the first push to institute a national government-mandated religion (just whose religion that would be or if we would be expected to change religions once ever four-to-eight years remains a mystery, but per the reichwingnuts, it will be some kind of Xtian religion).

    Dumbya created the office with an executive order to keep a promise to his reichwingnut supporters who voted for him and who have been pushing for a "Christian America" for several decades.  Even Dumbya (with his low IQ no less) wasn't stupid enough to try to get Congress to create a new office to be run through the executive branch.  They would have screamed "separation of church and state" + "First Amendment violation" and told the little fart "No!"  [Too bad they didn't do that when he wanted to illegally start a war against a little gang of criminals in the mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan and then illegally and unconstitutionally invade Iraq, not to mention they should have screamed "NO!" at the top of their lungs when the Patriot Act was shoved under their noses.  They gave away our constitutional rights without our permission.]

    Obama (the so-called constitutional expert/teacher) SHOULD have disbanded the unconstitutional and illegal office that is run out of the White House with a countermanding executive order.  Why he left it in place is beyond my ability to understand since it's a clearly unconstitutional office.

    So, Bill Maher or his writers need to check their facts before including the sentence 'No office of faith-based initiatives.'  As anyone can plainly see in the Wiki article, there's a whole long list of religious people who are connected with it (I've seen news blurbs that mention appointments of 'spiritual advisers' a while back).  Personally, I want to know who's paying their salaries and WHY, since we have a secular nation with a secular constitution and we have NO NEED for any "spiritual advisers" for secular leaders.  If they need spiritual advice, they can get that on their own time on their own dime.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 02:59:51 PM PDT

    •  Ah, if you follow the link... (2+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO, shrike

      you'll notice the Obama administration renamed it, and that it also now deals with social service outreach and poverty with both religious and secular leaders.

      The complaints about separation of church and state issues seem to all stem from the Bush years.

      •  I know they renamed it... (1+ / 0-)
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        Mr Robert

        ... but it still includes religious groups and "religious advisers" (the phrase from a newspaper article about one of the people Obama appointed about a year ago or so, and it's still the same core organization Dumbya set up for his religious zealot supporters.

        That means it still violates separation of church and state.

        IMHO, the office still needs disbanding, 'cuz you know as well as I do that if any of the reichwingnuts are among the people on that list of religious "advisers" and are currently keeping their mouths shut for some strange reason, they absolutely WILL interfere in the legislative process at some point (especially with the insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations' involvement in government functions) and want laws written according to their alleged religious beliefs to "make America a Christian nation as they believe the Founders intended."  Of course, they'll also band with the Rethuglicans in any legislation regarding forbidding abortion, birth control, or somehow controlling women's bodies.

        When it comes to separation of church and state, it's better to keep them strictly separate at ALL times.

        Social services and community outreach programs can be dealt with on a secular level via local county social service agencies that know what the local populations need best, possibly funneled through any state's county medicaid (or name equivalent) or social services departments.  (I don't know what other states have, but MN has social services on a state and county level, and monies go from federal government to state offices to local county offices; by the time it gets to the county level there is some combination of federal and state monies.  Zero involvement with religious institutions, just as it should happen in a secular government.)

        Administered by the executive branch, money for the 'office of faith-based and community programs' is far too likely to go into the coffers (and off-shore bank accounts) of corporations or to mega-churches where it's spent frivolously on cathedrals or cars or jets or mansions passing as parsonages or whatever the swanky and hypocritical minister can dream up.

        [Nope.  I don't trust any religious institutions after some of the scandals they've had.  I don't understand how anyone can trust them for any reason.  The Vatican, in particular, needs to keep their opinions to themselves when it comes to any country's laws regarding abortion, birth control, and the like.  If they want to do something useful, they need to purge their own ranks of the pedophile priests among them before they start telling others what to do.  They own more land than god himself, huge amounts of art, and they're very, very wealthy.  They bought Schuler's crystal cathedral, last I read, yet they weep buckets of crocodile tears over how much money they've lost over the law suits regarding those same pedophile priests.  Too bad, so sad.  I'd like to see them go broke.]

        If you're a student of history, you know just how deadly the combination of church and state can be.  Add corporations on to that, and you've got a perfect fascist storm of how to destroy a country from the inside.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 06:00:28 PM PDT

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