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  •  Geoengineering is very dangerous. (12+ / 0-)

    Jumping into it without knowing what you're doing is a really stupid idea.
    The iron dust bloom was highly visible and very alarming.

    •  President Obama should declare the equivalent of (2+ / 0-)
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      the Kennedy/NASA moon effort of the 60's for the ocean.
      We should have a public/private R&D effort to be able to explore the deep oceans, find solutions to climate change, and strategies for cleaning up environmental damage.
      Make Big Oil pay for it.
      There's other major possibilities: aquaculture, renewable energy ideas, etc.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:31:39 PM PDT

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      •  no unicorn? (1+ / 0-)
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        the doubts about climate change you see in the US are a real concern.  

        Somebody with huge amounts of political capital is going to have to spend time working on the voters here and change minds, before your ideas can work.

        There was opposition to making BP pay for the consequences of Deepwater Horizon, damn it!!

        Boy do I hope Obama has such capital in November 7th, for many reasons.

        •  Yes, the "pay for" part would be hard, but the (2+ / 0-)
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          rest of it would mean long term middle class jobs, opportunities for entrepeneurship, advances in science and R&D, and like NASA, it would have a "national security" subtext if not primary motivation.

          A lack of a well articulated, fairly simple, long-term national vision, is one of the knocks on the Obama admin.(I know they do have a long term plan, and I know the media is making no effort to help them communicate it, and the gop are obstructing it, etc. They have not been doing much to communicate it.)

          I think this would be something that would restore youth enthusiasm in an Obama/progressive direction.

          A lot of this is ongoing anyway, it would be good to have a cohesive national aspiration in this area.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 06:04:30 AM PDT

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    •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
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      jck, politicalceci

      I wrote my comment before seeing this one.  Please have a wonderful Sunday, I hope your people are well.

    •  What we need are Mega-Engineering... (3+ / 0-)
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      Knockbally, politicalceci, 417els

      ...Projects that work in harmony with the prevailing Environment conditions and likely near term Climate projections.

      The days of pretending we can and should be able to "control" nature ought be put in the same intellectual dustbin as "rain follows the plow."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 06:19:33 AM PDT

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    •  It's about poverty - poor people buy lotto tickets (0+ / 0-)
      In the meantime, I would suggest it was history that led Old Massett to this pass. In our interview, Errol Winter and I talked about Old Massett, and he said the unemployment rate there was almost 70 per cent.

      The decimation of resource industries in the area had hit them hard, he said. People are desperate.

      "It's a hard life," Winter said. "They're in a very tough position. When people tell them to think outside the box, that's where they begin."

      http://www.vancouversun.com/...

      Thirty years ago, when I drove through Old Massett, it was not that different from third world conditions, in stark contrast with the new (read "white") town of Massett. My own interpretation is that the Haida people have been scammed again into spending money they don't have.

    •  Research is needed, esp. Ocean research (0+ / 0-)

      I totally agree that "not knowing what you are doing" is stupid and dangerous: ie. reckless.  That doesn't mean that we should ignore researching possible ways to help reduce CO2.  It doesn't mean that doing such research should pull any urgency away from reducing our carbon footprint and converting to renewable non-carbon energy.

       A basic fact is that fertilization is happening naturally from islands and volcanic eruptions.  While many oceanographers have grave concerns about it, there are many unknowns. We need the deep, thorough and detailed research in oceanology to understand what happens with iron fertilization.

      What George did was wrong in quite a few ways. The ban against commercial schemes is very appropriate. But let's not ignore legitimate researching to get the answer about what a very precautionary level might be that could help reduce C02 and support the oceanic food chain.

      “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” - William Butler Yeats

      by RandW on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 02:21:12 PM PDT

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