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  •  Let's remember something (3+ / 0-)

    270 isn't the magic number on Election Night. 270 is the magic number when the Electoral College actually casts its votes -- which usually happens in early December.

    If Obama finished with a 270-268 "victory" on Election Night, all it would take is one elector to flip and give Romney the election (because a 269-269 tie would be decided in the House, and would certainly result in a Romney victory).

    As of right now, there are several "blue" states that have no laws on the books to punish "Faithless Electors", including Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, New York, Rhode Island and New Hampshire.

    Our side has to set the bar high enough that the GOP can't find a way to steal this thing. 300 sounds like a nice round number to me.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 08:52:48 PM PDT

    •  omg...stop! Has there ever been a time when (4+ / 0-)
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      the Electoral College went against the results on election night?  I'm seriously asking...

      I'm stressed enough without another thing to worry about.

      “To the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world.”-Brandi Snyder (in memory of my Nick)

      by YellowDogInGA on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 08:59:54 PM PDT

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        Main article: Faithless elector

        A faithless elector is one who casts an electoral vote for someone other than the person pledged or does not vote for any person. 24 states have laws to punish faithless electors. In 1952, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214 (1952). The Court ruled in favor of state laws requiring electors to pledge to vote for the winning candidate, as well as removing electors who refuse to pledge. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a functionary of the state, not the federal government. Therefore, states have the right to govern electors. The constitutionality of state laws punishing electors for actually casting a faithless vote, rather than refusing to pledge, has never been decided by the Supreme Court. While many only punish a faithless elector after-the-fact, states like Michigan also specify that the faithless elector's vote be voided.[43]

        As electoral slates are typically chosen by the political party or the party's presidential nominee, electors usually have high loyalty to the party and its candidate: a faithless elector runs a greater risk of party censure than criminal charges.

        Faithless electors have not changed the outcome of any presidential election to date. For example, in 2000 elector Barbara Lett-Simmons of Washington, D.C. chose not to vote, rather than voting for Al Gore as she had pledged to do. This was done as an act of protest against Washington, D.C.'s lack of congressional voting representation.[44] That elector's abstention did not change who won that year's presidential election, as George W. Bush received a majority (271) of the electoral votes.

        "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

        by Lava20 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:07:00 PM PDT

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    •  Remember how Electors are chosen in most states (0+ / 0-)

      For the most part, they're people like us: very partisan, and very committed to seeing our candidate win. If YOU were an elector, and especially if flipping your vote could hand the White House to R-Money, is there any conceivable scenario in which you would flip? No, right? Well, the same is more than likely the case for those 270 people who would actually be in charge of keeping Obama where he is.

      We've already got enough to worry about before the election without panicking about this!

      Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

      by RamblinDave on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 12:12:00 AM PDT

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