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    •  VERY interesting. (18+ / 0-)

      If that 18,181 allegation can be backed with first-hand source information (I don't have time to pursue all those links), that would be explosive.  

      The fact that the digits repeat in that manner points to some kind of algorithm that generated the number, though I'm no math expert so I wouldn't know where to start to look for it.

      Clearly we need a constitutional amendment requiring paper ballots, counted by hand, in all elections in the US.  The place for high-tech in elections is to put the count on television in every locality, and on the internet across the US.  With all the pervasive surveillance technology in everyone's life today, it's time to turn the camera around and use it to let all of us watch the most important process in our representative democracy.  

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 10:35:17 PM PDT

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      •  it's prime (5+ / 0-)

        Indeed, it's a truncation of a prime curiosa.

        All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

        by subtropolis on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 12:15:36 AM PDT

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        •  curiouser and curiouser. (10+ / 0-)

          OK, so that may point to some kind of algorithm that generated it.  

          Seems to me that if I was president, I'd issue an order to the NSA to get hold of examples of those voting machines, and then turn them inside-out to look for bugs.  

          And then upon finding any such bugs, put DOJ into high gear to go after the perps and make damn sure they spend the rest of their lives sleeping on concrete mattresses and looking at at the world through steel bars.  

          Meanwhile, something WE can actually do:

          Have progressives in Congress introduce legislation to the effect that tampering with voting or vote-counting machines, or otherwise causing them to create false votes or alter actual votes cast, should be a federal death penalty offense, with the option of life without parole.  It should be treated as seriously as attempting to overthrow the government by force, because in the age of cyberwar, that's effectively what it is.  

          (And no, I don't believe in the death penalty, but it should be included as an option, to serve as part of the deterrent effect of the law.)

          "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

          by G2geek on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 03:01:23 AM PDT

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        •  Its also AH,AHA (3+ / 0-)
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      •  Well I am no computer expert but those that are (8+ / 0-)

        have been speaking up the last few years. Even this year The Argonne Lab (run by the Department of Energy0 demonstrated that results could be hacked by a hip 8th grader with $20 worth of equipment
        With no markers. It all would look normal
        and about 30% of people would be voting on them

        Many pros have done demonstrations where a group votes and they go from there. County clerks and election officials even took part in many of the demonstration votes. It shocks people, but not enough for things to change.

        If you get curious this page has some recent articles from pros, like UofM researchers, Argonne Lab that show the vulnerability, ease of flipping votes and other tricks

        I followed some investigations in 2008 where the state found evidence of irregularities. Those were definite. How they came and how they might have affected results were not... and I never did hear.
        Like some odd number found and reported in New Jersey primaries by many clerks and the state hiring a Princeton computer expert to investigate it (Ed Felten)... and Sequoia threatened lawsuit and court upheld the right too look but settlement was he could look but he could never tell. Essentially.
        Ohio was another state...
        and on and on.

        It is an illusion of security. We are not suppose to believe in hacking here and i guess that is justified.
        Because the right would never cheat or anything and we should rely on their sense of fairness.

        There is a pretty strong sense that many votes were stolen in 2008, they just didn't go big enough to beat the margins.

        This year I have tried not to look at what states have or have not gotten improved systems or security or whatever. I am not near an expert, can't word it well, can't change it, can't believe we didn't do anything about it and that we'll be shushed if we suspect it...

        And remember, don't worry if they leak raw data of exit polls, forbidden now of course. They'll look fine when weighted to match declared results. It is only in other countries that they can be seen as evidence of some fraud.

        We're fine.
        I love rainbows and cookies
        and I don't believe in hurricanes or nasty bad things.

        •  the bottom line is: (5+ / 0-)

          We need to publicize the info about hackable and hacked voting systems, and we need to demand a return to paper ballots counted by hand.

          As for the f---ing horse race of getting the results by 11PM East Coast time the same day, it can wait until the following evening, and people can just grow up and learn some patience.  

          I'm not the person to run around publicizing the hacking episodes, because that stuff goes past my pacifism limit and I don't want to say something that gets me banned from here.  But I'm constantly making noise about the need for paper ballots counted by hand, and that's something.

          "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

          by G2geek on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 02:53:22 AM PDT

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          •  The system doesn't have to be exclusively (3+ / 0-)

            paper ballots, but paper ballots have to exist for every vote as a recountable backup.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 03:57:15 AM PDT

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            •  any software-driven election system... (2+ / 0-)
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              ... is vulnerable to boot-loader viruses (look it up).  Even open-source operating systems.  

              Thou shalt not hold elections using machines with invisible parts.

              "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

              by G2geek on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 04:20:14 AM PDT

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            •  I think that's a good idea (1+ / 0-)
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              but we'd have pretty much the same problem we have today.  No one is interested in officially investigating this stuff, what makes anyone think that if there were discrepancies with paper backup ballots that we would be able to get the officials to investigate them and actually count the backup ballots?

              It's a good idea and certainly better than the status quo but it would need to be coupled with some kind of legislation to trigger an automatic recount in the event of certain conditions and random spot checks.  Otherwise we'd still be in the same boat.

              Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

              by democracy inaction on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 04:31:48 AM PDT

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              •  "trigger an automatic recount in the event..." (2+ / 0-)
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                Actually there are. In most states, elections within a certain percentage are automatically recounted and in many states, either side can demand a recount (sometimes the campaign has to pay the state for the operating cost of the recount).
                There are also Auditing groups in many states. They are independent groups, staffed by volunteers (in some states, they even pay!), that go back after an election and verify that the count was correct.
                This is a great way to participate in democracy, BTW. Find an auditor group in your state and sign up. You'll learn more about the mechanics of democracy than you can imagine. And at the same time, you'll be performing a service to your fellow citizens

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