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  •  Its the solutions that matter (6+ / 0-)

    Just after Hurricane Katrina, nurses gathered in a room in Oakland California,  to re-evaluate our disaster response and what COULD have prevented it.  Many of us, from the blue state of California where the California Nurses Association flew in over 400 RN's to red states like Louisiana and Mississippi, where stunned by the devastation.  We would see the same level in Haiti where a freak earthquake leveled Port-Au-Prince from aboard the USS Comfort.
      Pictures of the levee system before the Katrina hit showed primitive  levee's too old to withstand the awesome power of a class 5, mega- hurricane.  The denial of the Bush administration and FEMA under Brown whose only experience was organizing horse shows made it much worse.  You can't fake disaster response and early intervention at the federal level must be quick and co-ordinated with state officials who know where their equipment and personal are. But even that was a mess given the fact that  disaster response equipment was located on the bottom floors of building.  In addition, not enough warning time was given to people and not enough transportation sent to get people out of harms way.  
     People  were packed in a stadium with no extra toilets, little water, no cots, little food and flooded and overwhelmed with people too hot and humid to withstand the days of neglect.  Nursing homes and hospitals with elderly begged to be euthanisized after a week of little water, pain medications and a staff over-whelmed with stress.  At the same time, FEMA was acting like what a great job was being done including a clueless president who appeared on national TV congradulating FEMA for saving NOLA.

       But it wasn't just about the weak response but about how this ALL could have been prevented by more modern solutions.  We are living with global world-wide climate change where sea levels and temperatures have risen and will continue to rise.  The best example of a country living with the sea and with increased sea levels is a European country with a long and successful history of stamina with regard to the ocean.  The Dutch have a modern system of levee's and many are living in floating houses to deal with the obvious reality of increased sea levels swallowing their land.  The pictures of modern levees was a sharp contrast to the dilapidated system  of their counterparts in NOLA.  We were stunned to see the difference.  Re-introducing native plants that helped anchor the ground in Holland and served as a natural barrier to the sea were shown as well.

       Yes, I have a hard time talking with people too brain washed  by Fox and the Republican neanderthals who live in the 2nd century on this issue.  AL Gore tried to educate with his great film "The inconvenient Truth" but the ignorant right wing noise machine cranked more nonsense.
    But, the reality is that when your house and your neighborhood just got swallowed up by a un-predictable cyclone in an area not used to this type of weather, it doesn't matter.  What matters is how to re=build in a better way to withstand the new reality of mega-whether.  Even Governor Cristie is asking for information on climate change.

    It's the solutions and the preventative measures that matter to most people, even the most ignorant.  Start with that.

    •  wow - great discussion here lucretiamott (2+ / 0-)
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      You are right - it will be the solutions to the immediate situation - Sandy aftermaths - that can possibly be the change going forward. We could have floating houses built near the coasts (I lived for years on a houseboat) instead of ones that destruct every single time. We could have underground utility lines that prevent power grid failure. We could have tidal lands restoration that secure more of the lands near the water - and also the birdlife that needs the wetlands. There are many solutions - we just have to adjust our views to make room for them.

      One adjustment might have to be that just because you 'own' a piece of property doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want with it - this is a sacred piece of american thinking here - private property rights. Still, many ideas will need to be adjusted in the future as we accommodate ourselves to the world we have created for ourselves.  

      In many ways, it may be a stroke of fortune that Sandy struck the NY/NJ area - it forces us to deal with these issues instead of a big storm striking uninhabited land where we could ignore the consequences. Still, horrible for the people living in the disaster area. No doubt about that.

      Keep constant watch on your mind. - Dalai Lama

      by redstella on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 07:10:55 AM PDT

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      •  The get a mule to do what it is supposed ... (1+ / 0-)
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        to do you need to get its attention by hitting it between the eyes with a two by four.  Of course a good mule skinner knows how to avoid such cruelty, but in some ways the old story is a good metaphor for how people react.

        The issues too difficult to handle?  Ignore them! Ignore the monster for long enough and he will leave --- taking you with him!

    •  Holland also has the Eastern Scheldt storm surge (1+ / 0-)
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      barrier (Oosterscheldekering)., at which, as with the Thames Barrier, I have always marveled.

      I've always wondered why locations like NOLA have not developed similar technologies. I wonder if NYC and Long Island Sound could not also employ similar technology, rather than the seawall Mayor Bloomberg is talking about.

      Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

      by Words In Action on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:17:36 AM PDT

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    •  Excellent points, lucretiamott. In 2005 ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ..shortly after Katrina struck, I wrote Eco New Orleans: 'A Shining Example for the Whole World'. It wasn't just climate change I addressed, but that is what animated the piece.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 10:03:51 AM PDT

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