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  •  As far as the voting booth goes, Van supports my (0+ / 0-)

    premise.

    Oh, and it's not 'false', it's my view.

    vigilant "Dear Religion, this week I safely dropped a man from space while you shot a child in the head for wanting to go to school. Yours, Science."

    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 12:08:25 PM PDT

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    •  Only up to the voting booth. Nothing further (6+ / 0-)

      Van and you part ways later.

      The premise is false, because it is historically inaccurate. You don't ride the middle-left road if you want liberal change. You organize a mass-movement to push a sitting President to the left.

      God knows, right wing mass movement pushed Presidents to the right.

      He gives examples in his book and ideas:

      Though he says he still wholeheartedly supports the president, Jones said Obama turned a deaf ear to what former press secretary Robert Gibbs called “the professional left” during the first half of his first term because no one was marching in the streets to make him listen. Cases in point: The tea party protests in 2010, and the subsequent GOP “shellacking” in the midterm elections forced Obama to the right on issues like the debt, but the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations gave him the political space for his current, more populist rhetoric on wealth inequality.
      http://www.syracuse.com/...
      •  Ok. I look forward to your diaries on primary (0+ / 0-)

        contents that involve candidate sufficiently progressive for you or whomever is helping you with your opinion that day.

        vigilant "Dear Religion, this week I safely dropped a man from space while you shot a child in the head for wanting to go to school. Yours, Science."

        by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 12:18:31 PM PDT

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        •  Candidates change their positions based on (2+ / 0-)
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          citizen's whims. So a candidate does not necessarily have to start out progressive for me. That candidate however, must be willing to change his/her ideas and positions based on population-pressure.

          We have seen the Tea Party push candidates to the fire right and get far right politicians elected.

          Historically we have seen the left push candidates on many issues as well, such as forcing politicians to give women the right to vote, or in helping end the Vietnam war, or in granting civil rights to African-Americans.  

          So you don't just sit on your behind and comply with the whims of the status-quo, you make the change.

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