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  •  hardly as scary as sociopaths in high places. (0+ / 0-)

    And it's also clear you've never had to deal with a diagnosable sociopath up close & personal.  I have.  They're dangerous.  They should be committed to psychiatric hospitals to protect the public.  Mandatory medication would be far preferable, and most of them can be diagnosed at a relatively early age.  

    IMHO the same should be done for narcissists and for pedophiles, each of which is dangerous in a different way.

    People have every right to their own pathologies, up to but not including the point where they become a threat to others' lives, safety, and wellbeing.

    "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

    by G2geek on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 08:08:18 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, I have . . . (0+ / 0-)

      Your proposals are reminiscent of early advocates of what became known as eugenics. I find that dangerous.

      Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

      by ponderer on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:30:57 PM PDT

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      •  hyperbolic nonsense and not thought through. (1+ / 0-)
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        Eugenics is about controlled breeding to produce a "superior race."

        Medicating people who are convicted of crimes, as an alternative to incarcerating them for life, is if anything humane, and doesn't seek to take them out of the gene pool.

        Though, do you approve of pedophiles and sociopaths having children?  

        A guy goes to prison at the age of 20 for raping a 10-year-old girl, or for committing a particularly violent and coldly remorseless armed robbery that sent the victim to the hospital.  

        Twenty years later he's out on the streets, having served his sentence, but still every bit the pedophile or the sociopath he was when he went in.  And still every bit as capable of making a woman pregnant.  

        Do you approve of him having kids?  A daughter he might rape in another ten years, or a son he might abuse in some other way?  

        There are four options.  Choose one:

        1)  Keep him in prison for the rest of his life.

        2)  Surgically sterilize him so he can't have children.

        3)  Medicate him with new drugs that treat the pedophilia or the sociopathy as the case may be, rendering him more or less normal, and let him have children.

        4)  Do nothing whatsoever to either treat his underlying condition or prevent him having children, thereby enabling him to have children and very likely abuse them.

        If you advocate (4), what do you tell his daughter when she turns up at the hospital having been raped, or what do you tell his son when he turns up at the hospital with broken bones and burn marks?  

         

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 10:53:19 PM PDT

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        •  I don't accept your list of (0+ / 0-)

          choices as the only options. I don't agree with your thinking or conclusions in any way and do find forced drug treatment akin to eugenics, which you questions seem to indicate you are not opposed to, either.

          Eugenics and drug treatments to control behavior were characteristics of the first progressive wave.  I'm not surprised that that same need for control drives policy theory for some who consider themselves progressive now.

          Your questions about examples remind me of the question put to Dukakis about the death penalty in his debate against Bush pere. To me, they aren't serious inquiries intended to broaden discussion and exploration; they are efforts at point-scoring gotchas that have no place in discussions of such serious, culture-defining issues.

          Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

          by ponderer on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:10:41 PM PDT

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