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  •  I drifted away from the United Methodists (19+ / 0-)

    after seminary.  Went through a period of not knowing what I was doing, and have spent the last 9 years with Quakers.

    I attended a United Methodist service some months back, and remembered all the things I liked about Methodism.  Still didn't feel like home though.  I'm sure the gridlock on LGBT issues it's been in for the last two decades would still be bad for my mental health.

    But, I have many friends who grew up in liberal Christan churches and who just found they didn't need it in their lives.  And, I always wondered, why would you give that up, you get it all, community, wonder, tradition, and modern science.

    -9.38/-7.69 If religion means a way of life, and life's necessities are food, clothing, and shelter, then we should not separate religion from economics. - Malcolm X

    by dirkster42 on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 07:30:34 PM PDT

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    •  Yep. (5+ / 0-)

      I still consider myself a Methodist but only occasionally go to church, though obviously I still believe.  And I always believe evangelicals are speaking a foreign language when they talk about Christianity.  I've never heard a thing about homosexuality or abortion in my church.

      28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 07:50:29 PM PDT

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    •  Liberal flight even from liberal churches. (5+ / 0-)

      It is a self fulfilling prophecy not unlike white flight from the cities in the 60s and 70s.

      Congregational involvement is not, of course, a requirement of faith.  It is a natural result of faith and, itself, a self fulfilling prophecy.  

      I think one reason liberal believers flee involvement in liberal or moderate congregations is the age old issue of not wanting anyone to be the boss of them.  To come and go as one pleases is attractive, to make up one's own theology (which always becomes a variation of "nothing really matters as long as you're nice") is attractive, to take the food court approach to faith (get your burger at this place and your curly fries at that place and your smoothie at that other place) feeds that customer mentality rather than the discipleship mentality.

      The result is a ghettoized church where conservatives show up disproportionately.

      Many, many people of faith prioritize their worldly freedom over submission to a lord other than themselves.  Not the stuff of discipleship.  It is the stuff of customers.

      "The opposite of faith is not doubt. It's certainty."

      by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:43:35 AM PDT

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    •  I think there is much confusion (1+ / 0-)
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      among the non-believing community regarding how much "mainline" Christians worry over this stuff.  We hardly think about it at all.  What - we're going to lose sleep over how the universe  operates according to the "laws" of  God?   I find the deity of Christian right to be a comparatively puny "thing." They claim to understand this? Tillich, who didn't even believe in "God" much less "eternal life"  still stayed within his Judeo-Christian (& quite Pauline) frame of reference & insisted the entire cosmos had been redeemed.

      "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

      by DJ Rix on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 12:24:37 PM PDT

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