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  •  I wonder about the word "driven" (0+ / 0-)

    From one perspective, if a sect, church, parish, grouping, finds its leadership and growing numbers of its members to be Flat Earth, 7000 yr old, Evolution is a socialist lie, America was founded as a christian nation, assholes,
    then, yes, they are being driven from the church. I am sure that their sanity requires it.

    But, I don't think that is the demographic at play here.

    Some of the most conservative, anti-science, irrational christian cults are relatively new critters, as their wildest members find pastures more to their liking. New  megachurches served that role for a while, but recently megachurch construction has flatlined. Some have declared bankruptcy. Others stopped expansion programs. And still others are caught lying about membership numbers lest the truth poke out, and show that ours was not, is not, and will not be a "Christian Nation."

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:46:48 AM PDT

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    •  Great point. (0+ / 0-)

      When I use the word "driven" I guess I'm thinking about it in the sense that even before the "flat earthers" became so vocal, there seemed to be no room for different points of view. Especially in the fundamentalist denominations, there could be no questions, no conversations on subjects of importance to individuals and families.

      While there might have been a bit more leeway in the more moderate, intellectual denominations, there was still a line that could not be crossed. This is the line that 'drove' me away. The lack of ability to question, debate.

      The worst part of the whole thing, is that I was given the impression my love for God; my love of worship was somehow less genuine because of my disagreement with points of dogma.

      Thank you again for such a thoughtful response.

      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Philly526 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 01:26:54 PM PDT

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      •  what you hunger for, what many seek (1+ / 0-)
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        is acceptance, understanding, and companionship.

        Your daughter, the gleam in your eye, the pride of your life, the one you were sure would out live you, left this world early.

        That is a hole that cannot be filled, not with prayer, church, drugs, alcohol, or tears.

        That is a hole that only time can start to heal.

        Humans are such strange creatures. Social, in need of society, often irrational and just as often, refusing to work towards either a common goal, or an obvious self-interest. (this explains the current GOP in a nutshell) I suspect that religion's last dregs prevent us from absolute acceptance and companionship, that the shadow of their rules and regs, their fear-mongering, their lies, still prevent us from providing clean and unadulterated acceptance, understanding and companionship.

        The sooner we sweep away that jetsam and flotsam, that mental detritus that pollutes so many, including me, the better and the sooner we can reach out, fill mutual holes of loss and lost loves, and ease pains that all of us are always going to suffer.

        It took me a number of years, countless beatings on my left hand for being a natural lefty (the penguins still raise my BP if they walk past in uniform), and a longstanding distaste for organized religion to formulate a personal view of the world. We are mainly good. We can be misled, deluded, sick, mean, spiteful, and worse. But the innate essence of humanity is its own reward. And that, above all, should be cherished and rewarded.

        That means that those in dire straits, in endless pain, should and must be able to end their own lives.

        That means that every woman must be allowed to control her own body. Period. (and control of periods seems far more easy today than even 5 yrs ago)

        That means that the death penalty must be extremely limited, but never banned. Because we are a social creature, and a deadly cancer among us is no different than a metastasized cell in a smoker's lung. But, that is so fatal and total an end, that we have to be 100% sure that our decision is correct. That takes time, $$$, effort, and an enlightened justice and social system.

        That means we do what our four, five, or eight fathers intended in our preamble. We aim for the general welfare, something that TeaBuggerers simply do not and cannot understand.

        It means a lot more, too.

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 02:32:14 PM PDT

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