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  •  what evidence? i buy your assumption that the (4+ / 0-)

    numbers changed, but how do you quantify many, especially where there are so many places to hide?

    be weary of such claims as "no chance" in any argument. the standard is pretty high and we only need to produce one example to disprove you.

    no one said conspiracy, I said we are trained to ignore certain the things; the state is heavily invested in ignoring certain unfavorable facts, i.e. like systematically under-counting the number of unemployed people or systematically under-counting the number of homeless.

    why would you trust these same authorities to go the extra mile to actually find out how many people are in the tunnels when ignoring it is a far easier solution?

    i hope you are right for obvious reasons.

    "Also, New York State, thanks to Governors Al Smith and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, several conventions and courts cases is one among the very few states that have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to housing and that's why we have a shelter system, which doesn't always work well, but forces the government to help people off the streets."

    Do you honestly believe that rights not secured or able to be practiced are rights in being and reality? I know lots of homeless and indigent folks who would be happy to know about their "right" to housing in NYC. Shelters? God. There are reasons many homeless people stay away from them.

    •  There are a lot of reasons people stay out (12+ / 0-)

      of the shelter system - I lived for years across the street from one of the largest in NYC on 3rd and Bowery, which is now a drug rehab.

      Violence in the shelters was rampant, rape and abuse was frequent, and corruption was rife - by employees (many of whom were ultimately busted for robbing shelter clients of their SSD checks).

      I spent a year in a hotel/shelter on Park Avenue for families, after a burnout.  The conditions there were not as dire as those for single males.

      My husband has worked for over 30 years with mentally ill SRO clients.  One small facility in NY is a model for many others around the country, but unfortunately there are far too few of them.   Funding has been drastically cut, and another part of the problem I mentioned above - NIMBY - Not In My Backyard - attempts to open community based smaller shelters has been met with loud angry resistance from area residents who don't want shelters in their neighborhoods.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now". Rev. William Barber, If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:14:19 PM PDT

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    •  This diary is awful. Here's my neighborhood: (0+ / 0-)

      This is a terrible diary and you should delete it. It's an embarrassment to DK and to yourself.

      Right now, thousands of people are without homes on coastal New Jersey, in Breezy Point and on Staten Island. Millions are without electricity, heat, transport, drinkable water, food and telecommunications. Lower Manhattan is still without power and people on upper floors without water can't even use their toilets because the water pumps aren't working.

      This is three blocks away in my neighborhood in Queens, where families are huddled in the cold and dark because all the power lines went down and the water main cracked so there's a small river of water in the street:

      Instead of making a useful comment about what's actually happening in the region, from the safety of wherever you are, you've decided to distract DK readers with this fantasy fiction of thousands of non-existent bodies of dozens of now non-existent mole people who 20 years ago lived in parts of the tunnel system that didn't even flood.  Do you realize that the main flooding was in the tunnels that go under the East River where no mole people ever lived and it's practically impossible to even walk through, let alone live -- and some subway tunnels next to the river front?

      Why not write instead of the tragedy of the ETs in the UFOs that were hovering over coastal New Jersey -- they're much more important that the actual families who were wiped out in New Jersey, right?  Why not write about the alligators in the sewers at this time of dire emergency?

      There's so much wrong and misinformed about this diary, from the perspective of someone in the city, that it's an embarrassment to the DK community.

      •  anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering (1+ / 0-)
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        bluedust

        remember those words; they are immortal.

        does your inconvenience override the suffering of others? is life really that much of a zero sum game for you? we should process together. is your heart that limited? assuming you are here as a "progressive" why take on the personality traits of an authoritarian conservative? are your principles that weak and transient?

        come and get into the tree of trust with me. explain your rage. i will listen.

        i suffered through several hurricanes, and also a tornado where i was without power for ten days, national guard afoot, a community wrecked, with just a radio and batteries in some not to good weather.

        come now, you can trust me. would you like a hug? one brother to another?

        •  Why are you writing fantasy fiction during crisis (0+ / 0-)

          And name calling in defense is equally bizarre. I am not suffering inconvenience because my block is fine. I'm trying to help my neighbors, both three blocks down, in Manhattan, Brooklyn, north shore and New Jersey.

          You meanwhile are trying to stir up outrage over events that didn't happen - that exist only in your fantasies.

          Why are you writing fantasy fiction during a dire emergency that affects millions of people?

          Why don't you have any empathy for real people in the NY-NJ area? Why is their real suffering "inconvenience" while what only matters to you is the mass death and cover up of mole people who exist only in your imagination?

          People are going cold, thirsty and hungry. That's not "inconvenience," although it may seem like it to you in the safety of wherever you are.

          And being concerned for my neighbors is not "authoritarian conservative" -- although your fantasies about mole people (based on "facts" from Fox News affiliate NY Post and a science fiction trailer) could be deemed to be so, as are your lurid blog fantasies about white people going hunting for black people in the streets of New York during this crisis also seem pretty sick.

          •  you do not understand what you speak of (0+ / 0-)

            "And being concerned for my neighbors is not "authoritarian conservative" -- although your fantasies about mole people (based on "facts" from Fox News affiliate NY Post and a science fiction trailer) could be deemed to be so, as are your lurid blog fantasies about white people going hunting for black people in the streets of New York during this crisis also seem pretty sick."

            why are your conceptions of your neighbors so limited as to exclude those who are homeless? you see, that is the tribalism that the Right has nurtured.

            Also, again, I must question your maturity and reason, that "story" about hunting down and shooting black and brown youth was one of the biggest pieces in the Right-wing blogosphere a few months back. If you knew that, and tried to connect the dots to their eliminationist rhetoric, subtle and overt racism, rise of the militia movement, and the White Right Tea Party GOP fan fiction on a second american civil war and the Turner Diaries maybe you would understand.

            I suggest you up your game and start to understand the real dynamics at work around you and in this country during a time of peril.

            Sci-fi trailer? Huh. There were several documentaries and books written about the Mole People and the homeless who live in the subways. I think the aftermath of the storm has created a mania and cognitive deficiency in you.

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