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  •  You're right: she *is* fighting for her (6+ / 0-)

    political life in race that shouldn't be this close.

    But you also said that she's toast even if she wins. That's not true. She's been in close races before and won them; each time she emerged as a more powerful influence in the Republican Party and the national American right. Her electoral success and advocacy has furthered the presence of extremism and extremist candidates in the GOP (via the Tea Party and the Christian Right, for example.)

    That's what actually happened. If she wins next week, no one on the right will care that "it was closer than it should have been." No one in the GOP Congress described by Rich will care that "it was closer than it should have been." If she's returned to office, she's coming back as a hero and inspiration to the national conservative movement...

    ...so no, she's not "toast" if she's reelected--she's more powerful, in line for leadership and policy making authority. She's only toast if she's defeated.

    Co-author of the first political biography of Michele Bachmann: Michele Bachmann's America

    by Bill Prendergast on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:03:36 PM PDT

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    •  She's a joke to the republican establishment (0+ / 0-)

      ..not even in Palin's class. She's a teabag lady with not much more heft than Steve King.

      •  if she wins she wins (4+ / 0-)
        … Frank Rich correctly observed that the GOP reaction to the re-election of Barack Obama will lead that party even further into the depths of conspiratorial craziness and paranoia. In the event of the defeat of "establishment" candidate Romney by "socialist" Barack Obama: Rich claims "temperate" Republican voices will be practically extinct in the next House. He's right.

        Her current claim of "a record of bi-partisanship" isn't really directed at the voters in her Sixth District. (Supporters and detractors in the district know the claim is false and ridiculous.) The "Michele can be bi-partisan" lie is directed at the national GOP and her Republican congressional colleagues. She wants the national GOP to have to accept the fact that she was re-elected after campaigning as an "effective bi-partisan legislator"--in a deeply conservative GOP district. She wants to prove to the national GOP that she can present herself as a "bi-partisan" effectively and successfully--without moderating at all, without losing the national support of the tea party and the Christian Right.

        I agree with that assessment. Yes, she's a raving loon, but the next Congress will be the picture of decorum? I don't think so. The diarist is correct that if she manages to squeeze out a victory she's going to do much more than just keep her seat.

        That said, if she does win she's going to be an easy target. Not only do we have her record to hang on her, but it's an easy bet that the loonery will be coming fast and thick. Perhaps having the spotlight a little more will be her downfall.

        Of course, there's no telling what damage she could do in the meantime. Support Jim Graves!

        All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

        by subtropolis on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:32:03 PM PDT

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      •  And how much power will the Republican (2+ / 0-)
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        establishment have, in the next GOP-led congress?

        A lot? A little? The same? Will the Republican establishment in Congress remain powerful enough to keep her out of power? What do you think, what's you're prediction?

        I have to ask: did you actually read the diary? These points you're raising (about her pose as bi-partisan, about how she'll remain marginal in Congress because of the GOP establishment despises her) were already addressed up there in the diary.

        The prediction is that the "establishment" GOP will be much less powerful in Congress after the election. (And thus it follows that resistance to Bachmann in a position of real power will diminish.)

        If that's right, your point about her being "a joke to the Republican establishment" becomes irrelevant.

        Are you saying that the establishment wing of Republican in Congress will retain their control of party appointments, after the election? If so: what are you basing that opinion on?

        Co-author of the first political biography of Michele Bachmann: Michele Bachmann's America

        by Bill Prendergast on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:34:03 PM PDT

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    •  especially if Ryan looses - which (0+ / 0-)

      is a possibility.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 01:42:58 AM PDT

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