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  •  And being "a star" requires an audience, someone (6+ / 0-)

    (more likely many someones) for whom you can "show off".

    Which... really allows those other people to have ALL the power.  If you make it to PhD and they don't care?  They have the power, in ignoring you.  Perhaps reframing that those who don't care about others take back power unto themselves? Hrm.  Huge challenge!

    •  That's a really good point. (5+ / 0-)

      Thank you for connecting the respect/"show-them" mentality with the unrealistic goal of being a "star." That's an awesome insight, and one I'm going to use with future students.

      "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

      by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:22:04 AM PST

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      •  Cool! I also wonder (4+ / 0-)

        if cross gender classroom discussion might be sparked (in constructive ways) by that book I mentioned.  It still supports the basic notion that men prioritize respect over all else, but offers paths to better outcomes that are about relating and communicating, basically sidestepping violence as even part of the discussion about gaining respect.  

        The hope being that men like LaVon could see women in the class awakening to some new perspective, "getting it" about respect, which might reassure him, and leave him open to trying to understand the other half of the equation (his own role).

        I also wonder how much of this street-related aspect of respect is from another gender issue, seems on the street that "men stick with men" (bros before hos), so building the capacity to mutually relate to women as peers & partners could provide for relational needs that certainly aren't met by straining harder for respect from other men.   Hrm.  That's convoluted and not reading as clearly as I'd like.  I'll let it drop lest I dizzy others :) hopefully it makes some sense!

        •  Another great book on this subject is (3+ / 0-)

          A great book on this subject which is written in easy to understand chapters is Susan Faludi's "Stiffed." She has an incredible chapter about the (white) boys in the "Spur Posse" who came up through a middle class culture which left them completely uninterested in work for its own sake, or work for a paycheck. They developed a fascination with celebrity culture and "get rich quick" theories of getting ahead through attracting media attention. They set out to do just that by having sex with girls in a public, competitive way. Faludi traces their obsession with star power and their antipathy to work back to their early years in pop warner baseball where they learned not teamwork but the value of "respect" and making a name for yourself.

          Have to run to a GOTV session but I wanted to pitch in on this discussion.


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