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  •  Excuse me, but ... (4+ / 0-)

    ...if you're attributing weather to the vengeful whims of make-believe gods, I don't think you can credibly call yourself an atheist.  

    Superstorms are the natural cuase of abusing the environment and throwing the natural balance out of whack -- it benefits no one to insert faith-based voodoo into actual science.  

    •  i think you are missing (6+ / 0-)

      the element of snark in this diary

      what is important is this issue: the very real push to end the unity of this country

      i think this is the issue leftists should cohere around.

      we need to change the narrative to reflect that the rethugs do indeed want to disintegrate the country.

      one of my current students has brought this into stark relief as the logic of his reasoning absolutely leads to the disintegration of the country.  he literally advocated cutting off certain parts of the country because they were not economically viable from his perspective.  this is the end logic of their insanity: the dissolution of the republic

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      by BlueDragon on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:48:51 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for clarifying my point... (4+ / 0-)
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        and I was subtle, in order to show the paradox, that leads to hopefully the realization of what is at stake.

        I didn't want to insert a disclaimer that this is a metaphor, as it would have been demeaning to those who could follow both my rhetorical and logical thread.

        This was the outcome of many hours of work, numerous drafts, that only used the "God's Message" when it seemed to work.  

        It also illustrated Romney's reverence and personal affirmation of the Pledge of Allegiance, that I linked in the diary and here.  I was outraged at his equating being an American with having such faith as expressed by the words of the Pledge.

        And Sandy does throw this in stark relief, as shown by Steve Colbert, who made the point without the historical references.

        For the first time I sent this out to 90 people who are on my contact list, many of them old dormant friendships who I neve expected to contact again.

        This seems that important to me.

        •  This is clever, but I so wish (3+ / 0-)
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          we could keep God and Science separate.  

          Not all of us think subtly enough to understand that you are speaking metaphorically.  

          I wish our language in talking about climate change could be Science language.  Anthropogenically-caused climate change is a theory.  There is strong evidence to support it, certainly strong enough to take it totally seriously, because if the theory is correct, we need to act yesterday.  I find the evidence convincing, and have bought and given away so many books on humanly-caused climate change, hoping to get others to take the theory seriously.  

          But I am not going to diminish the strength of scientific discourse by agreeing that something is proven that has not been proven, but is at the level of a theory.  

          I really hate the term "climate change denier" because what is the opposite of a denier?  A believer.  Climate change is not a matter of faith.  

          It is a matter for all the intelligent, sophisticated study we can give it, and action based on the consequences should the theory be correct.

          In the years that Republicans have been deliberately dumbing down the electorate by eliminating classes on science, or perverting classes on science, and eliminating the teaching of critical thinking skills, some of us have forgotten how to "speak science" and some of us are too young to have learned from our school curricula.  

          Please let's speak science and teach our young to speak science.  

          It is a very clever diary, though, and thank you.  

          I have no help to send. Therefore I must go myself. Aragorn

          by Old Gardener on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 12:58:12 PM PST

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        •  Sorry, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ..using a false and pernicious frame (storms are the result of angry gods) in some sort of attempt to sidestep that frame and make a different point apparently about the dissolution of the union -- welll, that's not smart way to get a message across.  

          And setting up a false dichotomy -- i.e. the storm is either the act of a supernatural fairy or it's an 'accident', when, in fact, it is neither; it the wholly natural and predictable consequence of man-made climate change -- is another poor way to making a point.  

          The fact that your diary title and the majority of comments here are on what you claim your diary is NOT about should be an indication of the issues in your communication.

          •  And, if one were really all that (0+ / 0-)

            self-struck by the importance of one's words, part of hard work might including running the thing past someone who knows as much grammar as vocabulary.  

            and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

            by le sequoit on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 05:09:21 PM PST

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