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  •  Rather than HR you, which is tempting, (12+ / 0-)

    I will simply say again that this mysterious patch story is a bunch of hooey — on par with controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. It's a random collection of factoids which were assembled into an improbable narrative starting in 2004, when it was actually an impossible narrative. This story should have no traction. It undercuts our credibility to fight back against the ways in which the Ohio GOP is desperately trying to gain any edge they can, ways so crude and backlash-provoking that no one who had access to a "secret patch" would ever in a million years attempt them. Right now, we are fighting a last-ditch directive from our Republican secretary of state to try to toss out potentially legitimate provisional ballots on a technicality. The more we buy into trash like this, the less believability we have on things like that (Luckily, the Democrats have good lawyers on this and will likely prevail)

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

    by anastasia p on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 06:10:19 PM PST

    •  Which is another reason... (5+ / 0-)

      ..why the CT angle is so aggravating.  If they were going to throw the election electronically, why suppress the vote through other means?  

      •  just to be sure (1+ / 0-)
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        remember, O wasn't supposed to win last time.

        numbers ovewhelmed whatever suppression plans they had in place in 2008 and O won anyway.

        this year they are not taking any chances

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        Election Day is the DAY AFTER TOMORROW. DO SOMETHING NOW
        to bring this home for the blue team!!!

        by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 06:27:27 PM PST

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        •  Yes, Obama was supposed to win (0+ / 0-)

          ...and the economy was supposed to fail under a Democratic administration rather than a Republican.  That's why they stuck McCain with the job of losing to him.

          PBO outfoxed them, pardon the pun.

          America, we can do better than this...

          by Randomfactor on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 06:48:42 PM PST

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      •  Ohio DRE have voter verified paper ballots (2+ / 0-)
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        SoOH Mom, rmx2630

        I'm quite knowledgeable on this topic, and I hate these dairies. But they are not CT.

        They may lack facts, written by people that dont have a handle on the technical aspects of voting machines or election laws.

        But its not CT.

        The election in Ohio 2004 was fraudulent, 2 election workers were convicted for what happened.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 07:09:59 PM PST

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        •  Dude (0+ / 0-)

          I have a technical handle on this, believe me.  That's why it pisses me off so much.

          •  Nope, you stated that voters got receipts- (0+ / 0-)

            Thats not how the printers work.

            If you dont understand how the VVPB works, you dont have a technical handle on this point.

            DO you even know what processor the iVotronic uses?

            Do you know what operating system the Unity tabulators use?

            What and how many ports are on the iVotronic and what are they used for?

            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 08:21:48 AM PST

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        •  But in 2004 we could not properly investigate (0+ / 0-)

          We really do not know how much fraud was really committed in that election.  The Governor was a Republican, the Secretary of State was a Republican, the Attorney General was a Republican.  And, of course, all 3 branches of the Federal Government were Republican controlled.  There was no way to mount a credible investigation, though John Connors tried.

          And, as I recall, the convictions for the 2004 election were concerning the recounts.  Now, it seems to me that the only reason you would commit fraud during a recount is if you knew that the recount would change the outcome.  And you would only know that if you knew that there was fraud committed in the election itself. No?

          I think we have every reason to be very, very suspicious in this issue.

          Now, I will say that I am somewhat reassured by the fact that the DOJ is in Democratic hands and the Senate is in Democratic hands.  And I think that and only that would tend to restrain them. (Well, that and the fact that it is possible Obama may not actually need Ohio to win).  But, I think that is really naive to believe that they do not have the willingness and the ability to commit election fraud again if the payoff is large enough.  

          "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." - bush summing up his first year in office, 3 months after 9/11, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

          by rmx2630 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 03:20:41 AM PST

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      •  It has to be believable that Romney won. (0+ / 0-)

        That is why it has to be so close to prevent challenges.

        If the public ever thought it was possible, there would be rioting in the streets.

        •  Remember how mad people were in 2004? (0+ / 0-)

          Multiply that by 10X with Romney. He is not well-liked
          ever by Republicans. He is Just the "other" brand in opposition to Obama.

          Bush was actually a hero to many in this country.
          Romney,no way.

          There is no conspiracy to this. Its psychology and predictability.

          Please don't disrespect others who disagree with you on this. There is some credibility to both sides of this argument.

        •  Some states mandate recounts in close races (1+ / 0-)
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          Some states automatically hand count 2-3-4-5% VV paper ballots on a random basis to audit.

          2 election workers in Ohio were convicted after 2004 - election fraud you know.......

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 07:40:20 PM PST

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    •  Heres the contract between Ohio and ES&S (0+ / 0-)

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 07:04:54 PM PST

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