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  •  Conservatives have never believed Romney (16+ / 0-)

    was one of them. This meme is already set in stone.

    The question in my mind is whether the traditional republican power brokers have enough power left to be able to wage an internal war with the tea baggers over control of their party.

    I'm not at all sure that they do.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 08:53:03 AM PST

    •  Romney is the best they got (19+ / 0-)

      and I have no intention in letting them forget this.

      They had years and spent hundreds of millions of dollars in deciding who was the best republican and they picked Mitt.

      •  Looking forward to a brave new era, in which (8+ / 0-)

        ...Republicans, Republican policies, talking points, "theories" and 'missions from God' are all viewed as ridiculous and discredited by the public at large.

        ...bullies no longer prosper.

        ...racists must wear the stink of their own hate.

        ...people - real, live, flesh-and-blood, living, breathing PEOPLE matter.

        This year, I'm doing something I've never done before - I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket

        by chmood on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 09:34:01 AM PST

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      •  He's the wealthiest they've got (0+ / 0-)

        He had the resources to sweep a pitiful field of pretenders for the nomination aside, albeit with some difficulty.

        He was "next in line."

        But I don't think he was "the best" they had.

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 10:21:20 AM PST

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    •  Ah yes.... (11+ / 0-)

      Let the FUN begin!

      I've been expecting this battle and am also entirely hopeful that it will create two deeply divided versions of the GOP...neither strong enough to do much other than teach into each other for lack of sufficient purity.  Kinda like Shiah and Sunni, but with slightly fewer car bombs.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 09:06:37 AM PST

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      •  ... so far (0+ / 0-)
        slightly fewer car bombs

        What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - C. Hitchens

        by sizzzzlerz on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 09:15:18 AM PST

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      •  I wish, but (2+ / 0-)
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        they're too authoritarian to let divisive internal battles rise to the surface.  In the end they'll all march in lockstep to whichever faction gets to pick the talking points for Faux News and Rush.

        •  I dunno about that.... (3+ / 0-)
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          Look....whatever else Karl Rove is, he knows how to count and even dear sweet Lindsay knows the same thing when he says, We can't find enough angry white guys to win.

          The demographics are steadily trending badly for today's GOP.  Remember that hugely divisive issue gay marriage?  There will always be a fairly sizable crowd of people who feel passionately about it, but year by year, it is becoming less potent as more younger people enter the population and gays are essentially no big deal.  Plus more and more states are allowing it....and I suspect even some that outlawed it earlier.  People can see that the world is not falling apart as a result.  Dead issue for the wingnuts.

          Hispanics....growing rapidly as a voting bloc and when the dust settles this round, I'm pretty sure they are going to have played a BIG factor in an Obama victory.  Jeb Bush knows you ignore them at your peril and the party has GOT to change its stance to have any chance of winning more of them...especially on immigration issues.  More Minutemen....less GOP votes from Hispanics...more trouble.

          Women.....never has the party's negative stance on women been so clear as in this election.  A true moderate Republican, not shackled by Mourdoch and Aikin and Ryan with their no exception requirements on right to choosed (even though Ryan claims he will allow exceptions because Romney) plus equal pay, education, health care, contraception would have won this election, but the far right insisted on fealty to their platform and the party is likely going lose.  Mitt got white middle class men (not me however) but that has been offset by women.  Not helpful.

          That is where the GOP battle lines are going to be drawn.  The Tea Party/evangelical/wing nut branch is going to insist Romney wasn't truly conservative and didn't argue their stance articulately....if at all.  

          And the Roves of the world, if they have any brains left, are going have to figure out how to break away from these idiots and try and find a platform and candidates that is a lot more centrist.   Watching Obama run almost hourly ads showing Colin Powell's endorsement and reasons for doing so on CNBC is in itself a giant wedgie to Republicans.  "Look....this is the face of moderate Republicanism.....an articulate reason why the GOP has just gone too far."   (For today's GOP it is simply a great example of all those blacks sticking together.)  Therein likes the battlefield.  

          If FOX and Rush are able to drive the messaging, the far right could well win the battle......and in the end, lose the war.   Will be fun in the weeks ahead to see just how Rush and FOX play the outcome and who THEY see is to blame.  Will tell us a lot.

          Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

          by dweb8231 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 10:44:35 AM PST

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    •  Reagan, Bush I and II and now Romney (3+ / 0-)
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      They were all candidates that could be "managed" by those at the top of the food chain.

      Corporate CEOs, Billionaires, etc. all buy and sell these candidates like they would any staff member. The ones that floated to the top of their list were just the most pliable and most palatable to their base. Just enough to get elected, not enough back bone to fight for themselves. A good puppet for the political theater.

      "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

      by Wynter on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 09:17:18 AM PST

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