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  •  And what about (5+ / 0-)

    the vast majority of white guys from the South who are neither angry nor old?

    The rhetoric here on this topic is sickening me.

    •  It's Daily Kos. (2+ / 0-)
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      The bias displayed against southern, plains and mountain-west states (and Alaska) and their citizens is something I usually counter by simply asking "have you ever been there? How do you know?"

      And the silence is usually deafening.

      Folks need to get off the freaking internet with all its "common knowledge" and actually go travel around this country. They be astounded by what they find.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 12:56:55 AM PST

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      •  And those of us who grew up in the South (2+ / 0-)
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        and still heap venom and scorn on it, and the twisted moral compass of the people there?

        Honestly, I've never see a New England liberal hate on the south more than a southern ex-pat liberal will.

        /speaking as a Texas ex-pat.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 02:26:49 AM PST

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        •  You are entitled to your opinion (1+ / 0-)
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          (Actually, I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions, eh?)

          because it's based on experience, facts, data, reality.  

          We are supposed to value that stuff here.

          But about a week ago, someone made a snotty comment about SD, ND, MT, AK and a couple of other states being "terrible states" (the context being that Romney would carry those states). And I just wondered, who in the world makes that kind of stupid statement?

          How in the world could someone call Alaska AND Montana AND South Dakota "terrible"?  They're entirely different places with really different types of citizens (if you can lump a whole state of people into an archtype or two).

          Ignorance. And, I'm afraid, the unfortunate habit of speaking from the culture of pseudo- elitism that often looks down on rural states (Which earns users nearly automatic recs here).

          I totally get where you're coming from, and I respect it. There are a couple places in the country that I have little inclination to return to, much less live. But that's based on experience.

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 02:40:02 AM PST

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        •  I have... (2+ / 0-)
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          Many times here at dk.

          Your point is well taken -- that the subset of folks who have left the South are some of its most viriluent critics stands... But in my experience they don't attribute the problems to an undefeatable essence of "Southerness" the way folks who have no knowledge of the region or its people do, they simply know how powerful are the myths and sensibilities are that form the positions of white Southern men.

          There is a difference in the tones, however, I would argue.

          Intense criticism can come from any source, but the difference may be in how one makes sense of what they are critiquing.

          Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

          by a gilas girl on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 04:33:33 AM PST

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      •  They're all nice places. (1+ / 0-)
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        But a majority of their people express hatred with their votes and you can't fix that with niceness.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 04:32:41 AM PST

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    •  Why does the stereotype exist? (2+ / 0-)
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      Is it not true that the stereotypical white male makes the rules in these states?  Is it not true that these states pose hostility to our nation in a variety of ways?  If they don't want to be though of in such a monolithic way then they need to show a little diversity to the nation.   They have been cultivated and used and they need to pick up on that and become the supposed free thinkers that they argue they are.  Perhaps the others that live there need to step up.  I don't know but having lived there and as a person with plenty of relatives there, the south deserves its monikers.  I know, of course, that there are plenty of great people there but they aren't making any headway in getting the south to get past the War.  Relatives of mine that are transplants have turned into complete wing nuts on the far side of wingnuttia.  Something bad is there.

      Everyone! Arms akimbo!

      by tobendaro on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 04:34:11 AM PST

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