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  •  But why do you think that is? (1+ / 0-)
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    If you answer is that the President is an evil mastermind you'll get some disagreement from the millions of us who just voted for him.

    History will be kind to us because we will write it.

    by Sky Net on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:03:08 PM PST

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    •  No, I don't think Obama is an evil mastermind... (3+ / 0-)

      But he has the same problem every presidential candidate has. He has to raise millions of dollars for campaigning. The people with millions of dollars happen to be CEO's in big business. It makes them compliant with big businesses demands over the majority.

      Carter betrayed  people by allowing the Sec of Treas to raise the interest rate and driving the third world to bankruptcy.

      Clinton championed free trade and put the final nails in the coffin for the FCC.

      Obama's betrayals are too numerous to enumerate here.

      De air is de air. What can be done?

      by TPau on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:43:56 PM PST

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      •  perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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        That's a logical explanation and a more likely one than ny brit expat's that the President simply doesn't care about working people.  That really doesn't seem like him.

        However, I think you have to be open to the possibility that he simply disagrees with you and believes that America's future would be better with open rather than closed markets. Rational people can have different points of view on this topic.

        History will be kind to us because we will write it.

        by Sky Net on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:21:54 PM PST

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        •  True, but this experiment has already been... (3+ / 0-)
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          done, with rather horrible results. See the section on NAFTA. It would be hard to believe that an obviously intelligent man does not understand that he is about to repeat and amplify history.

          De air is de air. What can be done?

          by TPau on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:11:14 PM PST

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          •  It may be that this (1+ / 0-)
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            POTUS (as well as some Third Wayers) believes this is the best deal he can forge with the corporate & financial sectors.The corporate crusade to free the rich from the constraints of democracy leaves little to salvage.  
            In the words of Senator Durbin "The banks own the place". But we keep pretending that they don't. Which is probably the wisest course we can take.

            "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

            by tardis10 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:03:31 PM PST

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        •  Rational people (1+ / 0-)
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          have hopefully noticed that life for many of us, and for the environment as well, has gotten much worse under free trade. When profit is the only metric by which to measure success, as it is for corporations, the well being of the entire system is ignored. As an example, note the reference to dolphin safe tuna in the story.
          As to why Obama supports free trade after campaigning against it previously, Tea Party candidates do it as well. One of the very effective strategies both the Democrats and the Tea Party use to differentiate themselves during elections is to use social policy differences. Economically, they aren't that far apart, especially when they are back at home in Washington and away from their home districts. Hardly anyone in the finer districts of DC is hurt in any way by free trade; on the contrary, the majority probably benefits.

          "There's a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in". Leonard Cohen

          by northsylvania on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 03:14:11 AM PST

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        •  It is not a question of caring or not caring (0+ / 0-)

          unfortunately, the politicians of governments (run by both parties) believe the lies that government cannot create jobs and economic growth and that they are leaving this to the private sector, which we know damn well cannot create it while we are in an economic crisis. Free trade is an ideology, we know what happens when it is introduced, we have evidence from history, there is no reason why, this time, it will be ok.

          Rationality means not doing the same thing over and over when it does not work the first time. In fact, the economic policies currently being preached by mainstream parties are the same ones that brought us the great depression.

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:13:59 AM PST

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      •  I wouldn't call it a betrayal. (1+ / 0-)
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        And I agree that if you ask Obama, he will tell you he cares deeply about American workers, and don't doubt he really believes that.

        But Obama is a corporatist, first and foremost, not an organizer for social justice. He doesn't recognize U.S. state capitalism (or any other state capitalist system - they're all supported by states) as structurally repressive. He believes, as he's said over and over, in the "free market" and "free enterprise" as the best economic systems/practice. He wants to go back to the kind of economic policies under Clinton - when unions were crushed and membership declined, when the majority of jobs created were low wage with no benefits, and when the successes of our economy were built entirely on unsustainable bubbles.

        We have to imagine and begin to practice an entirely new economy. This one is beyond done.

        Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth. - Lucy Parsons

        by cruz on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:36:04 AM PST

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