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  •  Please post your homework findings (4.00)
    In the comments.  Also questions and related ideas.

    Hijack their frames! Cheap, easy, effective.

    by chriscol on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:06:43 AM PDT

    •  Pop quiz (none)
      Q: Whaddya do when someone gives you O'Leilly's schpiel about "Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays"?

      A: I dunno, I fumbled this one. Help!

      •  Don't know if it always works, but (none)
        ...my wide-eyed innocent response was "Does Happy Holidays actually bother you? Persoanlly I always think its so nice when someone shares the holiday spirit by saying Happy Holidays OR Merry Christmas or whatever, that it would never occur to me to even think of being BOTHERED by one or the other."  Blink blink, smile sweetly.  
        That shut one person up once.

        ubi dubium ibi libertas

        by ChaosMouse on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:43:17 AM PDT

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      •  What I'd like to know is (none)
        how someone as malevolent and unChristian as O'Reilly gets away with his pose as a concerned Christian.
      •  asdf (none)
        I've worked in a Medical University/Teaching Hospital environment for 32 years.  I work with people of all cultures & have been saying "Happy Holidays" for years without really thinking about it.  I was Christmas shopping this past year & ran into a friend of mine.  We chatted for a few minutes & as he was walking away I said - "Have a good Holiday."  He turned around & said "just say Merry Christmas & drop that politically correct bullsh@!".  My enlightened response? "Cram it!"  and I walked away.  Was I wrong?
        •  I think that was fine. (none)
          You could have gone into computer mode and bored him silly--but I don't think the encounter deserved that much effort on your part.  

          I think we want to develop our awareness of this sort of crap, and also have better responses than punching someone out or looking sullen when we do need to spend some time in a relationship.

          If it applied, you could have snapped back "Why should I--I'm not Christian!"

          Now if you really wanted to get mean, you could have answered that you only wished Christians a Merry Christmas...  but that is probably one answer that is better imagined than spoken!

          Hijack their frames! Cheap, easy, effective.

          by chriscol on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:06:30 PM PDT

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          •  I must have a bit of "mean" in me (none)
            because I like the last suggestion!  I am Christian & he considers himself as such.  To be honest, his remark caught me a little off guard.  I was aware of the controversy, but hadn't paid too much attention to it. It took me a second to realize what he was getting at and I just blurted out the first thing that came to mind.
            •  my response (none)
              to a guy who pulled that over "Happy Holidays" would be to say, "C'mon, Scrooge, why don't you want to let others have a happy holiday?"

              He'll fume and sputter, guaranteed.  Then you ask, "are you against people having happy holidays?" and continue on in that vein to his every statement, making sure to use the words "happy holiday" in every one of your responses, ie. "I think it's nice for people to have happy holidays", "I don't see why you don't want people to have happy holidays", "I don't understand anyone who wouldn't want people to have happy holidays", etc.

      •  My response... (none)
        I was going to write a letter-to-the-editor on this one, but Christmas came and went in before i got around to it.

        I would have said something along the following lines:

        As a Christian i am in no way injured by someone wishing me "happy holidays" or "seasons greetings" instead of "merry Christmas". Gigantic corporations are not forced to make Christmas, or any other holiday, an equally gigantic part of their business strategy. I am, quite frankly, a bit astonished by the accusations that what's really wrong with Christmas is that these gigantic corporations don't take an active enough role in helping me celebrate Christmas.

        For me, celebration of Christmas is not wandering through Target while trying to find gifts to buy but rather through the actual celebration with family and friends. After all those years of watching "How The Grinch Stole Christmas" and "The Peanuts' Christmas Special" (or whatever that one's called) the one thing i have learned is that Christmas does not come in a box--Christmas does not come from a corporation's use of one celebratory phrase over another--but rather from our own hearts.

        I might have even added something like: If Mr. O'Reilly thinks his Christmas looks a bit dim this year then perhaps he ought to examine the true source, rather than imagined external causes.

        (Of course, if you don't celebrate Christmas then you'll have to do some tailoring. But yeah...)

        The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

        by Shapeshifter on Sun May 29, 2005 at 03:12:24 PM PDT

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