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  •  They know (18+ / 0-)

    the are going to lose.   HAHA Assholes.

    I'm a vegan for health reasons - the health of the animals.

    by jackandjill on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:17:43 AM PST

    •  Even Morning Schmoe said as much n/t (4+ / 0-)
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      “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

      by You know me man on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:21:22 AM PST

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    •  No, they don't. Take a look (10+ / 0-)

      at any of the right wing sites. They are not just claiming that Romney will win - they actually believe it, are convinced of it. A popular diary on Redstate yesterday "analyzed" a recent CNN poll and determined that Romney's popular vote margin will be between 9 and 12 points over Obama (with a "worst case" of about 5 points). They are convinced that IF Romney loses, it MUST be the result of outright fraud. They are so convinced that Romney is going to win that a popular topic of conversation is what we on the left are going to say when we lose, since we are all obviously kidding ourselves that we are going to win.

      Whatever we believe here, the diametric opposite is going on over there. A lot of people in this country  are going to be livid tomorrow, that is the one thing you can bet your life on.

      •  I have to go to judgment court tomorrow in (8+ / 0-)

        Louisiana tomorrow after Obama wins in south Louisiana.  I can't even imagine, as a black voter, what I will have to endure from the judge, who no doubt will be pissed, tomorrow.

        "If ye were blind, you would be without sin. But you say 'you see'; therefore, your sin remains" Quoted from that despised Socialist Jesus Christ.

        by Carlo408 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:35:05 AM PST

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      •  and I think I have some insight into this (3+ / 0-)
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        I have a colleague - a very intelligent and well-meaning chap.... who is voting for Romney.  Not only this - he is a birther.  What makes an otherwise perfectly good person a right-wing conservative?  I think it is a thick streak of paranoia.  He doesn't trust the government, the IRS, the President, or that birth certificate!  And yes, he too thinks Romney is ahead and headed for a landslide.  I'm going to watch carefully if his paranoia turns to the "election fraud" meme after the President wins.

        "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

        by louisev on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:44:02 AM PST

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        •  My guess is that people like him will (3+ / 0-)
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          blame a lot of things, from a biased media to minorities that vote twice to manipulated employment numbers to Hurricane Sandy. You will not hear many of them say oh well, the best man won.

          After a few days/weeks, we'll hear more of how disappointing they were themselves in their candidate (remember how hard it was for Romney to get the nomination?), but they will still not accept that America truly voted for a Communist Muslim terrorist-sympathizer. It's just not possible! from their perspective.

          •  Not a Communist Muslim terrorist sympathizer (3+ / 0-)
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            A BLACK MAN.

            That's what they really can't believe. That a majority of Americans voted for a BLACK MAN as president.

            They would have a hard time with a woman, but that woman would likely be white. That would be easier to deal with. And if it had been Hillary, they would be telling themselves that Bill would really be running things anyway.

            But a BLACK MAN? Bad enough he beat one old white guy, but to beat TWO??? That just CANNOT happen.

            That's really what's not possible to them.

            •  From an electoral standpoint though (2+ / 0-)
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              Obama has shown that a good candidate who is black can put together a pretty powerful and motivated base. It's actually a bit risky at this point for the Democratic Party to NOT nominate a black man (or woman) next time. Not many will publicly say that, but let's face it, no white guy is likely to turn out such a high percentage of all people of color as someone like Obama.

          •  If Romney wins are you going to say that? (0+ / 0-)

            No, we will complain about Ohio voting machines and intimidation laws. So clearly we can understand their highly partizan positions.

          •  If anyone that tries to use these excuses (0+ / 0-)

            with me, I am going to just tell them, "no, it is because the GOP has awful ideas and most people understand that."
            I don't plan to listen to excuses from them.  They lost because their ideas suck and they got these results because of them.

        •  A paranoid optimist? (0+ / 0-)

          What the heck is a paranoid optimist?

          That quote about GDP by Robert Kennedy

          by erichiro on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:08:25 AM PST

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        •  It's fear, IMHO. (0+ / 0-)

          Fear of not belonging to a group which self-reinforces messages of certainty and insular entitlement, for example.

          Fear of not having some sort of certain blame in the universe for their daily problems that we all face, and for the existential ones that anyone may develop at different stages of their life, etc.

          Fear.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:19:21 AM PST

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        •  Oxymoron-ic (1+ / 0-)
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          How can "intelligent" and "birther" be applied to the same person.  Be realistic.  You like this person for your own reasons, but you don't have to go out of your way to allow for his stupidity.  An intelligent person will listen to facts, assess them, and then make an informed decision.  Your colleague has skipped a few steps in that equation.  Point of fact: the only instances of recent (20 years?) election fraud have been committed by Republicans - so his paranoia might be rightly internalized - he's afraid of himself.  Does he get nervous when he walks by a fire alarm, afraid he'll be unable to control himself and pull the handle?  Give him a wide birth, so to speak, he's a danger to himself and others.  

          "Paranoia, it'll destroy ya" - Destroyer, Kinks, 1981.

           

        •  write it down, timestamp, and show it to him (0+ / 0-)

          when he starts delivering his drivel.

      •  Those sites are not (1+ / 0-)
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        fox news.  Fox news knows they will lose.  

        I'm a vegan for health reasons - the health of the animals.

        by jackandjill on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:47:44 AM PST

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      •  There difference between them and us (0+ / 0-)

        is that we go into swoons when we drop a point...and are still leading.

        and they act absolutely confident when they know they are losing...

        •  Come on now, (0+ / 0-)

          we know which party is the delusional party.

        •  How is it that you can know (1+ / 0-)
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          that they are merely acting confident? I think that they are actually confident, not just acting confident. They don't know that they are losing, they have plenty of reasons to believe that they are indeed winning. Read their blogs, spend some time there if you can handle it. I do not believe that they are acting, at all.

          •  They way you know they are acting confident (0+ / 0-)

            because the day after the election, when you try to rub it in, they pretend they have no idea of what you are talking about.  And they are on to the next talking point.

            Seriously do you think any of these guys give a damn about Libya?

            Really?   It is all a sham.  

            •  We're not talking about the (0+ / 0-)

              same thing apparently. I wasn't addressing whether they cared about Benghazi or any of the other anti-Obama memes of the day. I was talking about their confidence in winning the election today, that's it. And I believe, after spending many hours reading their blog posts and diaries, that our counterparts over there are just as convinced as we are that they are going to win. And just as convinced as we are that we (they) are paying attention to the wrong polls, and not reading them right. They think that MSNBC is as deluded as we think FoxNews is.

              That is my point in a nutshell - they believe what we believe, and just as intensely - but it is the exact opposite of how we see it. They are not acting.

              •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

                If you look at the pundit scores which show Romney winning big...

                there is a very good reason for that.   If it got into the trickle down to the bottom of the base that Romney is going to lose, there would be a problem with turn out in red states and down ballot candidates would run into trouble.  They know the evangelical vote is soft because of the Mormon thing...so they need to have their base think there is a chance....and they might as well go big. (Republicans really don't have the same problem assuming complacency that liberals seem to have.)

                Yeah, some of the idiots will believe pretty much anything but it is a strategic decision suggest they are going to win because if they don't get a respectable turnout.

                Nope, the Republicans know the score...and you can be pretty sure tomorrow that even the trolls will pretend all this "Romney will win"  bs never happened.

              •  I believe nanorich is trying to make the point (1+ / 0-)
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                that the confidence is an act intentionally put on as, say, a bully puts on a false image of being unafraid and utterly confident of always being able to kick ass.  A projection that may not be earnest.

              •  This is a close election (1+ / 0-)
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                You can find individual data points that prove that Romney is winning. Now, the aggregates and the trends are on our side, but don't kid yourself. We would be trumpeting single polls to prove our side is winning if the shoe was on the other foot. They don't have a monopoly on confirmation bias.

          •  Delusion (1+ / 0-)
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            Delusional people never think they're delusional, otherwise they wouldn't be delusional.  By its very definition, the word just folds back onto itself, ad infinitum.  Like looking into a mirror that's reflecting a mirror.  "Through the Looking Glass" and "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" are the perfect context(s) for today's Republican thinking.  Only Alice, as an outside observer, was able to tell fact from fantasy, and even then it was a difficult task. Just call me "Alice".  

      •  It's like Bizarro world (0+ / 0-)

        They are used to getting trophies for losing

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