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  •  for a proto chassid, I'm not very woo woo (1+ / 0-)
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    when it comes to things like this.  I think that the important lesson of Jacob is that people can change - he spent his whole life being a dick until the night of wrestling - and then he tried to be less of a dick.  Not always to say modern standards of not being dickish, but for his day, he made a remarkable change of habit.

    But sometimes the parsha really means what it says - and this is one case where I think that is the case and other people see woo woo.  

    I agree about how we tend to think about them as older - I do it too.  I was kind of WTF they were 12 and 13?  Not cool, bloodthirsty little dudes.  While I understand their anger and appreciate the desire to revenge their sister - I kind of have a problem with the whole woman = virginity with legs thing in general.

    I will point out there is no victim blaming in this story though - at no point did Jacob or her brothers say anything about why she was outside or how did she let this happen - it was all let's get that mofo that hurt Dina.  There you have a "biblical" view on rape - the rapist is going DOWN.  That should probably be pointed out more.

    But can you see why I didn't mix so well with the uber frum yeshiva and was asked to leave?  You should see my Little Bunny Foo Foo giving of the Torah one - it's best live though.

    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

    by Mortifyd on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:45:21 AM PST

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      Dina was probably at the palace - rape was one way to get married; another was kidnapping, another was having sex.  And after all, the consequence of rape to the rapist was marriage, which fits with all this. No one asked the girl what she wanted, this was a deal between men.

      Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

      by ramara on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 05:21:58 PM PST

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      •  yeah it says that they recovered her (1+ / 0-)
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        which would support that.  I had a really hard time with this - I just could NOT write a more standard dvar - they just don't come out.  So I compressed a bit where maybe I shouldn't have there.

        They did make a point of getting her back and then looting the city and taking all the livestock, women and children - I like to think it was because she was a pretty awesome sister rather than property they could sell twice.  But then they are Jacob's sons.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 05:37:55 PM PST

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