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  •  What was the real goal? (4+ / 0-)
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    akze29, orangeuglad, Byrnt, frankw9

    There has been plenty of evidence that ruling elites prefer a second Obama term. It makes sense. They will get center-right policies from Obama and much less public resistance to those policies compared to the grassroots backlash that would oppose the same policies from RomneyRyan. The working class is going to see lowered living standards and less freedom over the next four years regardless of party, and Operation Blame The Black Guy still has plenty of mileage left. I think the real goal of all that money was to keep the election fairly close and to minimize Republican losses in the House to maintain obstruction powers if Obama tries to step out of line. If my thesis is correct, one would expect to see a lot of Rove's attack ads against Obama concentrated in districts with competitive House races. A nasty Obama attack ad can motivate the Repub base to get themselves to the poll and also vote for the Repub House candidate. I don't have access to that kind of data, so I can't prove my theory.

    •  I tend to disagree. They tried that these last (4+ / 0-)

      two election cycles now.  I believe that President Obama will be more forceful this term. He will remind the obstructionists left in Congress that he has nothing to lose, but they do.  If they take us to the brink again, he just needs to say the electorate will be reminded of their games in 2014.  We saw what happens when the right tried once again to scare people and suppress their votes.  They have awakened a sleeping giant, and if we don't get complacent like we did in 2010, we will see great progress these next 4 years.  The Tea Party had their experiment fail.  They will think Romney lost because he wasn't far enough to the right, but he lost because he was a poor candidate.  They will continue to shoot themselves in the foot as long as Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Donald Trump call the shots.  

      •  I hope you are right. (0+ / 0-)

        But if Dems can take progressive votes for granted, they will pay no consequences for delivering the anti-worker agenda of their billionaire sugar daddies. If the left base doesn't organize and raise hell, Obama will deliver a shitty "grand bargain" that will cut medicare and SS benefits. He has already admitted that this is his goal.

    •  Rove is not going away, he is too hungry for (4+ / 0-)
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      jedennis, miasmo, COBALT1928, Larsstephens

      power and had developed a significantly sophisticated computer/digital system to track everyone who is breathing in the U.S. No matter this particular Obama win, the House is still Republican and the skills to manage the messaging by them will be Rove's data, and the President's peril as he loses political capital in the cliff fight. IMHO.
      The progressives need to stay alert and active and plan ahead instead of day to day as seems to have been the mode of operation compared to the Repubs. consistently. For example, the governorships, the judgeships that are our future.
      Byrnt NYC

      •  Rove sucked power from the Bush Family.. (1+ / 0-)
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        Larsstephens

        ... like a leach on a water buffalo. On his own, Rove can't deliver. That's now what the fat cats know.

        Three of the last 4 general elections gave Rove losses.

        He's got no cred anymore.

        His pitch is stale. His potential donors will be asking him what he delivered with all of their money. He'll have to shrug his shoulders and say, well, nothing.

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