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  •  Thank you for this (4+ / 0-)
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    I admit that I think it may take a "you don't miss your water until your well runs dry" moment for our side in order for the point to get across, though.  I have read some comments here that appear to also be laboring under stereotypes - assumptions about social conservativism in particular and what demographics do, or do not, create an opportunity for the GOP (and therefore a risk for Democrats) if and when the GOP ever cures itself of its virulent filthy racism.

    Fortunately for Democrats, the GOP appears no more able to cure itself than our side is able to stop forgetting to overtly remember us in moments like today.

    •  Makes me cringe. (2+ / 0-)
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      Fortunately for Democrats, the GOP appears no more able to cure itself than our side is able to stop forgetting to overtly remember us in moments like today.
      That statement makes me cringe, for both sides. I don't take any voters for granted. I am sad to say I know nothing about Asian-Americans (another forgotten demographic, it seems), because no one ever talks about them, on either side. I was surprised to see the stats last night on how many Asian-Americans voted for Obama.

      I hope whoever runs the 2014 and 2016 campaigns studies under the School of Kickassery taught by the folks who ran the Obama campaign. THIS is how campaigns need to be run in the future. All-inclusive, on-the-ground, and appealing to every voter's enthusiasm, regardless of race or gender.

      •  Re: asian americans (4+ / 0-)

        part of that is that it's also such a diverse group of people, the way we've made the lines around that "racial" distinction. And another part of it is our country's flat out dismissal of anybody who sorta looks, you know, "slanty eyed" from a vision of American-ness -- it's a huge problem still, one I'm so glad that you brought up.

        We treat most Asians as perpetual foreigners. I've had this come up personally in hilarious ways -- I'm very (heh, hilariously?) white, but my grandparents were immigrants, while a friend of mine in a lot of classes a while ago was Chinese American, and his family came over to work on the railroads, early in that process. He was vastly more the longtime American than I was, talking family and roots, but watching how people treated us... damn. Hits home, you know?

        Add to it that we've never known how to handle west asian populations... the Middle East and India, Pakistan, etc... because we, um, just don't think about their existence very much -- and that one is a particular demographic clusterfuck, way beyond how we talk about this stuff in voting.

        But we need to do better. We have to do better. On all of these fronts.

        I noted the Asian vote when I looked over the demographic breakdowns, too. It actually hasn't always historically been true, at least in that strength, and it's something I see noted or discussed or even asked about nowhere today.

        (We can start with not making China into the perpetual "insidious foreign threat," something I say even while having major issues with the government of China, including its economic policies, by the way. Both parties do this. A lot.)

        •  Yes (3+ / 0-)
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          Regarding China, I roll my eyes every time the Chinese are trotted as the default boogeyman of the world. Really? Like, their government is scum, but there are a billion people in that country who have nothing to do with our troubles here. A billion people trying to raise families, educate their children, put food on the table and a roof over their heads, just like us.

          I HATE that both parties use China as the go-to cackling villain in the corner. Vanguard did several amazing documentaries on Chinese life... man, for being the scary monsters under American beds, Chinese people sure are a diverse, culturally rich, and fascinating group of people.

          As for the rest of your comment, I fully agree. It's pretty horrible how we treat Asian-Americans as foreigners, even with some suspicion at worst, or don't think about them at all at best.

          •  Republicans play this game all the time (3+ / 0-)
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            You're exactly right. The ordinary Chinese citizen wants some money to buy things, maybe eat some decent food, be happy, get their (one) child into the university, and so on.

            It's all about "the other" -- that person who's one of "them" or "those people." They're not one of us. Republicans play this game all the time. The Christian fundamentalists worry about the Islamic fundamentalists. Obama is black (he's not like us). People on food stamps are those others who want a handout. China is producing items that are sold in Walmart. But they must be manipulating their currency. And so on.

            It's like being at a pep rally in high school where the cheerleaders from East High School get the crowd cheering against the evil football team from West High School (or whoever the people are in the other group).

            After railing against "those damned illegals," the Republicans are now discovering that maybe a lot of Latinos are voting and not for Republicans.

            But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

            by Dbug on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:50:21 PM PST

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        •  "Rustbelt workers vs. Asia" framing can be deadly. (1+ / 0-)
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          A lot of Democrats and union leaders embraced it in the 1980s and for Vincent Chin, that rhetoric turned out to be not only fatal but led to a gross miscarriage of justice.

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

          by lotlizard on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 09:05:26 AM PST

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      •  Yup. Asians went for Obama by a even larger (3+ / 0-)
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        margin 73-26, than Latinos. And don't forget, in 2011, there were actually more asian immigrants coming into this country than hispanic immigrants. This was a demographic once deemed a promising pickup for the republicans.

        Of course- the biggest problem is that asian voters tend to congregate in places like Hawaii, California, New York, etc. There is a sizeable asian population in TX- maybe that would come into play a few years from now.

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