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  •  I don't know about that, either. (4+ / 0-)
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    mconvente, FiredUpInCA, eps62, Laconic Lib

    Their evangelical base sure overcame their supposed hatred of Mormons pretty easily. I just think it is clear that Republicans are not going to not vote for Republicans any time soon, regardless of who's got the label or what s/he says. I mean, they voted in droves for Romney, for Pete's sake, and he's the most venal, least respectable, and worst campaigning candidate they've had in decades. He even did better than McCain!. That doesn't sound like progress to me, I'm disgusted and depressed to say.

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:39:00 AM PST

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    •  Don't read too much long-term into the results (2+ / 0-)
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      Let's not forget, unemployment is just shy of 8%, and it still feels like a crappy economy to many on Main Street.  A fair percentage of the electorate was certain to defect from President Obama simply because he hasn't fixed it yet.   Were we in "normal economic conditions", he probably adds another 2-3 points nationwide, carried NC, and this race would have never tightened the way it did after the first debate.

      •  Right. but if we don't/can't (1+ / 0-)
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        pass any decent legislation to help the nation regain its footing (on any number of issues), how do we benefit in 2, 4, x years?

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 01:23:21 PM PST

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    •  They were voting against Obama, not for Rmoney. (3+ / 0-)

      And there will be a huge split if Repubs try to embrace brown people...absolutely no question about it.

      So, stay scared and enable 2 more years of gridlock, or move....Forward.

      Also, the Dems don't use the filibuster effectively anyway, so current rules only favor R's.

      •  And they won't vote (1+ / 0-)
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        against some other D? Not likely.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 01:21:50 PM PST

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        •  Doesn't matter. They won't embrace brown people (0+ / 0-)

          and by trying they would split the party, so being fearful of a R senate flip isn't justified.

          If that's the case, nothing should ever be done to reform the filibuster, which is a win for Repubs.

          •  I think you overestimate (1+ / 0-)
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            Republican adherence to any coherent ideology regarding immigration law. I think the pols can definitely finesse it by emphasizing religion instead, which plays a huge role in Latinos' lives (and politics.) Catholicism hews more truly to a socially conservative worldview usually, and they could be massaged to conform to mainstream Republican social values via their religion. If they can embrace a Mormon--and they did--than they can embrace Catholics regardless of skin color or accent. It's not out of the question; I don't like betting the future of our party on it not happening, to put it dramatically.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 01:55:47 PM PST

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            •  You underestimate the amount of bigotry and (1+ / 0-)
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              racism, and ignorance in the party.

              After witnessing it overtly manifest itself over the past 4 years, it's hard to believe you think they'll just start winning minorities over.

              You also underestimate the ability of non-white people to see right thru their BS when they they trot out their fake "outreach" program...if that even happens.

              •  Perhaps; or it's that I (0+ / 0-)

                think their bigotry extends to anyone with a "D" next to their name, and that bigotry overrides all the others.
                Were non-whites less able to see George W. Bush's BS? He did garner a substantially greater share of their vote than did Romney, after all . . .

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 04:08:15 PM PST

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                •  And every election since then they've lost ground (0+ / 0-)

                  in every demographic except white voters.

                  You haven't seen the results?  They're getting worse, not better.

                  Sorry, your argument against reforming the filibuster because minorities will suddenly love the GOP is unconvincing.

    •  One thing, (0+ / 0-)

      A difference in Christian denomination is much easier for them to overcome than a difference in pigment.

      Penn Jillette did one of those "Think Big" videos commenting on the change in perception of religion by Christians. It used to be that a candidate being Protestant would be a deal breaker for a Catholic voter and vice versa. Now it's "you're a straight white Christian, I'm a straight white Christian....let's put those lazy-black-mexican-fag-atheist-muslim liberals in their place....GOD bless 'Murica".

      Most other Christians don't know enough about Mormonism to either fear it or realize that it's not any more out-there than their beliefs. So they just go along with it.

      Back to race, Romney's a Mormon, but he's white. The reason that Conservatives only complain about Mexicans when speaking on illegal immigration is because the different between them is obvious. I doubt an English man is going to be stopped in Arizona and asked to prove his citizenship, with or without the accent. Skin color or language sets off panic in their brains, the need to protect our boarders and stop those blacks (Mexicans here) from seducing  our white women (Employers) with their Jazz music and marijuana (work ethic) becomes much more urgent.

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