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  •  Uh, this is happening because everyone's vote (22+ / 0-)

    needs to be counted. That is generally what
    Democrats believe.

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 03:22:53 PM PST

    •  However, (0+ / 0-)

      as I understand it, absentee and provisional ballots are only counted in uber close races, at least as far as calling the state for one candidate or the other.  This one ain't THAT close.  Even if EVERY absentee and provisional ballot was counted for Romney, as I understand it, Obama would still win.

      No, I'm not buying this is about every vote being counted in a state that is famous for trying to disenfranchise votes.  Something else is going on, and it doesn't smell good to me.

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 04:20:13 PM PST

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      •  There are plenty of local elections and initiative (2+ / 0-)
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        on those ballots.  They need to count them all and not just say because Rmoney lost the Presidential that school bond initiative doesn't matter.

      •  if they don't count the votes, (1+ / 0-)
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        then people ARE being disenfranchised. Absentee voters and provisional voters deserve to be counted , too. Do you think the provisional ballots in Ohio should not be counted?

        To say nothing of other races and other issues on the ballot.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 04:46:42 PM PST

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        •  Not saying these votes shouldn't be counted, (0+ / 0-)

          just that generally, states are called for a candidate WITHOUT all absentee and provisional ballots counted YET.  Do you think when Ohio was called for the president barely two hours after the polls closed that every absentee and provisional ballot had been counted?

          Unless the absentee ballots had been tallied before the election, probably not, and of course the provisional ballots can't be counted till after the election.

          When Minnesota ended a senatorial contest in a REAL tie meaning there was less than 500 votes difference between Coleman and Franken, the absentee ballots were counted once the tie occurred, and not before.  And it took a couple more days. Then the recount began.

          Don't know if absentee ballots are eventually always counted and added to the tallies or not, or in which states.  Do know that every other state in the union is able to call for a candidate within hours of the poll close.  Even if it's close, because VERY few elections are close enough to get a mandated recount, and I don't believe the election between Obama and Romney in Florida is that close.

          Furthermore, as for the other issues on the ballot, I haven't seen numbers for any of them.  But those are a separate issue from the presidential election.

          I repeat, every other state in the union can call the race within at LEAST 24 hours, and that goes for senators and house reps, UNLESS it's a REAL tie.

          Why people trust Florida to do the right thing is beyond me.
          Maybe they are, but frankly, the state has a history of electoral corruption, and I'm not feeling trustful.

             

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:46:19 PM PST

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          •  It is not the state that calls the race early. (1+ / 0-)
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            It is the TV networks and as we learned in 2000, they make mistakes sometimes since they called it for both Bush and Gore at different times. Which is a different matter than the snafu the election boards and SC made of the matter.

            Whether a TV network calls the election or not is not legally binding.

            The diarist is complaining that they are counting ballots, not that NBC or whoever has not called the race.

            As for Ohio, the TV networks called the race and the SOS said they were going home and coming back the next day to finish counting, but he did not say that Ohio called the race.

            As for the states, they certify the votes at some point a week or so later after all ballots, including overseas ballots are counted.

            Apples and oranges.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 04:37:32 AM PST

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            •  The fact that Ohio (0+ / 0-)

              "did not say" they'd called the race is irrelevant. The president was elected 48 hours ago, that's a fact.  No state is not called except for Florida, regardless of the counting still going on.

              Yes, Florida was close, but not too close to call. So is it the media that refuses to call it, or is it Florida who refused to call it?  

              All a mute point I guess, as Romney just conceded Florida.

              "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

              by StellaRay on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:43:26 PM PST

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