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  •  that isn't necessary if Bowen's system... (0+ / 0-)

    ... or anything like it, is adopted.

    All that's needed is an ample supply of paper ballots and a scanner somewhere in the system.  

    This election was the turning point toward a future with a future.

    by G2geek on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:22:15 PM PST

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    •  You may need more than one scanner (1+ / 0-)
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      In our precinct in Cuyahoga County we only have around 800 voters. But other precincts can have twice that number.

      We had six pages (3 sheets, 19 inches long 3 columns) per ballot that does take some time as you have to wait for the machine to confirm that it has successfully scanned each page and also to confirm that the expected number of pages have been scanned and you would just have lines getting to the scanner. That creates a problem because you can't have people standing around where a line to the scanner would allow them to see other people's ballots as they are scanning them or while they are marking them.

      Other jurisdictions in the country could have even more pages to their ballots. I know in Brecksville in 2010 one of the wards there had a ballot that had to be 15 pages at least because an entire sub-division was being re-zoned and that requires that each individual property in that subdivision is an individual ballot issue that is voted on.

      I have yet to have a ballot that is less than 6 pages in any November election.

      One other thing, you also just can't have piles of people voting at the same time because the observers have to be able to watch for anything going on with that. Someone could be coercing someone, electioneering, showing a ballot to someone, etc.

      •  6 pages? (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you have a lot of ballot initiatives?

        Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

        by milkbone on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 06:23:00 AM PST

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        •  Must have. In Iowa I've never had a multipage (1+ / 0-)
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          ballot in over three decades of voting.



          Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

          by Wee Mama on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 08:03:49 AM PST

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        •  We have a number of ballot issues (0+ / 0-)

          In Ohio we vote on all taxes by referendum. That means any money to schools, hospitals, libraries, ports, arts, you name it we vote on it.

          If a zoning change is occurring on a property in your ward you vote on each individual property that is changing. As I said in my comment above in 2010 in a city in Cuyahoga County that resulted in one ward there to have 46 separate issues to vote on alone.

          We vote on alcohol sales in convenience stores. Sunday sales of alcohol by any establishment.

          We have votes on changes to City Charters, County government, and state issues.

          Then there are the judges. In Cuyahoga County we have well over 50 judges of the Common Pleas court and that doesn't even get into judges to the Supreme Court, etc.

          It is not uncommon to have a ballot initiative that is two pages long - these are 19 inch ballots 3 columns wide - on the ballot in any given year.

          Because of this the length of a ballot varies from precinct to precinct let alone from county to county.

      •  no, the scanner is part of the vote tabulation (1+ / 0-)
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        in the voting booth, you just mark up the ballot and then the poll worker drops it in a box. at least that is how it works in yolo county, CA.

        •  In our state - Ohio (1+ / 0-)
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          Unless you ask for assistance - which would require two elections officials to assist you - you are only allowed to handle your own ballot thus you scan it yourself.

          We also have two stubs on the ballot.  Stub A and Stub B. When handed the ballot to vote the person that signed you in retains Stub A.  After you scan the ballot you put Stub B into a separate container - you do this yourself as well.

          When the precinct closes there has to be a stub A and stub B for each ballot cast. All ballots issued have to be accounted for to prevent ballot stuffing.

          I am surprised that California would allow anyone but the person who voted to handle the ballot like that.

          •  the poll workers who count the ballots (0+ / 0-)

            are the same ones who scan them. the boxes are secure and locked, have bar codes, and are checked along with their seals every step of the way.

            quite frankly, there isn't nearly as much shady business with the integrity of the vote in CA as there has been in OH in the past several elections. i suspect part of it is because we're not considered an important swing state, but i wouldn't look to either florida or ohio for best practices, voting wise, to be completely frank.

            •  Ohio's problems (0+ / 0-)

              Are in voter suppression. Not the voting systems used. All of the systems used in Ohio not only have to be state certified but they also have to be federally certified. This is the same as it is in California. We also have no voting system where there is no paper ballot nor a Voter Verified Paper Ballot. This too is the same as in California.

              And while the voting systems have to be state and federally certified in Ohio by law it is actually up to each individual county in the state to choose which certified system to use. Actually it is up to the voters in each county as to what system they will use as we vote on it by referendum. While Ohio law does provide for the county BOE to choose a system or the county commissioners or county councils to choose a system (based on the same county BOE recommendation) both of those entities know that a ballot petition would come it to force it to a referendum anyway so it goes to the voters in most, if not all, of the counties.

              There is so much misinformation regarding Ohio voting out there that more time and effort is focused on that than on the very real problems of voter suppression that goes on.

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