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View Diary: How to Repair the Voting System: Sec. Debra Bowen's Answer (302 comments)

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  •  ^ between wishful and reckless (3+ / 0-)
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    barath, Wee Mama, reklemrov

    I've been hearing for years about how well hand-counted paper ballots work in New Hampshire -- and I won't say that they don't work. But the fact is that jurisdictions have continued to move away from HCPB.

    Yes, optical scanners can be hacked -- or can, and do, err in other ways -- and that's why post-election audits are important. But judging from the recounts we have seen, they usually perform well -- and, when they don't, they can be corrected. If we refuse to use any system that can be subverted, we're on a slippery slope to nowhere.

    Telling people that they shouldn't move from DREs to optical scan systems with robust post-election audits, because they really ought to be doing 100% hand counts instead, is sort of like telling people that they shouldn't vote for Obama because Jill Stein is so much better. I don't object to HCPB advocacy, but when it stands as a barrier to protecting people's votes, I certainly oppose that.

    Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
    Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

    by HudsonValleyMark on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 07:03:02 AM PST

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    •  Seconded. (3+ / 0-)
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      HudsonValleyMark, Wee Mama, nanorich

      And also as Bowen points out in her talk, there is no such thing as a perfect voting system.  All systems can be subverted.  It's just about degrees.

      This is why her approach is to combine the speed of automated counting with the security of a random sample hand recount.

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      by barath on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 07:30:20 AM PST

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      •  thanks to you and the Rescue Rangers (2+ / 0-)

        Just a few hours before you posted this (if that), I was musing out loud about how it would be nice to have some good diaries on how to move forward on voting system issues.

        Looking at the list of recommenders confirms my impression that we have a heck of a lot more agreement on this issue than one can sometimes tell from the arguments here.

        Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
        Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

        by HudsonValleyMark on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 07:46:09 AM PST

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