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  •  don't forget about the prison population (12+ / 0-)

    the unfair rules about being able to vote again.

    we might be closer than we realize.  time to decriminalize weed and give felons their voting rights back.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:27:19 PM PST

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    •  it's on its way. (1+ / 0-)
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      Two states legalized recreational MJ last night.  Realistically that's going to take a truce between them and the DEA.  But none the less, progress, and local PDs will be free to follow state law by not busting people they find with small amounts.

      California softened up Three Strikes last night: no more LWOP for nonviolent offenders.  And while it makes sense that someone should certainly do time for their third nonviolent car theft or burglary, it makes no sense for that to be a life sentence.  

      So I'm starting to see a convergence here.  

      However there's a potential trap along the path, as follows:

      It would be entirely reasonable to strip felons of their voting rights for the duration of their prison sentences, and restore those rights upon release.

      However, that, or a requirement to pay off fines combined with enormous and impossible-to-pay fines, could be used to keep the status quo (e.g. 30% of black men unable to vote in DC) by just tweaking peoples' sentences to keep them disenfranchised.  

      For that reason we might want to consider letting even imprisoned felons vote, even people serving life for premeditated murders and suchlike.  This would get rid of the perverse incentive to tweak sentences.  

      This election was the turning point toward a future with a future.

      by G2geek on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:00:44 PM PST

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      •  Umm no, (2+ / 0-)
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        ...we might want to consider letting even imprisoned felons vote, even people serving life for premeditated murders and suchlike.  This would get rid of the perverse incentive to tweak sentences.
        What it would do is guarantee that we won't win elections.

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