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  •  Here's my thoughts (4+ / 0-)

    If there was a military draft today, PR residents would be forced into duty.

    They have fought for this country without full representation for decades.

    If they want to become a state, and are willing to take everything that goes along with it, then it deserves a vote in the house.

    •  Absolutely. (3+ / 0-)
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      And that's how supporters should sell it: Puerto Ricans are already Americans, and have been for nearly a century - granting them statehood merely recognizes their full equality and gives them a voice in the federal government.

      "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

      by Troubadour on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 07:32:44 AM PST

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      •  on FR they are going insane (7+ / 0-)

        beating each other up. Saying no because it'll hurt them politically, or because there are too many hispanics, or because they speak spanish, or because the flag will look different. Others point out they had a republican gov until this election and that there are many PR vets.

        talk about a legacy is BO gets PR to be the 51st state. that would cement his place in history.

        •  It's a good sign if even wingnuts are divided (2+ / 0-)

          on the issue.  That means there could very well be enough GOP votes for it in the House to team up with Democrats and get it passed.

          "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

          by Troubadour on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 07:55:12 AM PST

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          •  well politically (2+ / 0-)
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            i can't imagine anyone, republican or democrat, who is thinking about running for another term, voting against the wished of millions of hispanics. talk about bad politics.

            morally, i can't see a lot of reasons against it other than they're used to 50 states and they don't like change.

            •  It's pretty easy to see it. (1+ / 0-)
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              In the midst of a slow recovery I think it's pretty easy to see people voting against it if it will take billions out of US coffers.

              •  And put billions back in taxes and business. (1+ / 0-)
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                It's not clear cut even if you insist on treating a moral and value question as a matter of economics.

                "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

                by Troubadour on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 08:13:34 AM PST

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                •  Lets face it (4+ / 0-)
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                  From an economic perspective Puerto Rico will be very much like adding Hawaii was.  Big boon to tourism. Streamline red tape and interstate commerce.  More direct integration of benefit.  I really doubt this would be a hard sell from an economic perspective.

                  •  I imagine that's one consideration. (1+ / 0-)
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                    I recall TV campaigns that reminded Americans that you can travel to Puerto Rico on a state ID, no customs or immigration.  I think PR simply isn't on travelers' minds (at least outside Florida) because it's more obscure.

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                    by auron renouille on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:21:05 PM PST

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              •  but it would also open up (3+ / 0-)
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                brand new markets, federal income taxes, federal lands etc.

                it'd be no more of a budget drag than any other state, and I think would open up more new opportunities than anything.

              •  Will it? I'd love to see the numbers on this. (2+ / 0-)
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                My understanding is that PR residents receive services but pay no federal income tax; I went to school in Boston with some Puertorriqueños (Puertorriqueñas, to be precise) who were statehood supporters but were under the belief that statehood would be a net fiscal negative to the PR budget (because they would begin to pay federal taxes to receive services that they already receive).

                Of course, this was all anecdotal, and the two women that I knew best were college students, not accountants.

                Do they receive full services?  Some?  I'm a little bit familiar with territorial administration in Guam, which has equal complications but a very small likelihood of statehood - Guam kind of sees itself as an island city-state (more of a small county) and rarely aspires to statehood.  Guam is even more of a pickle because it is basically a giant aircraft carrier for the Navy, Army, and especially Marine Corps; the military presence there is more pervasive than it is in Norfolk/Virginia Beach.

                With any luck, we may be learning more about these issues in the coming months and years.

                "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

                by auron renouille on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:14:22 PM PST

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      •  opposition by Rethugs to statehood will hurt them (5+ / 0-)

        further with Latinos/Hispanics

        I actually think this thing has some legs......

        •  Agree. This is a terrible problem for... (3+ / 0-)
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          the rethugs. We need to start making an issue of it.

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          by PhotogHog on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 08:25:49 AM PST

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        •  Puerto Rico's current government… (1+ / 0-)
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          …is dominated by the PNP (Republican) party. Don't kid yourself into believing that the GOP would reflexively be against statehood.

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          by DemSign on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:28:17 PM PST

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          •  Though they lost big (2+ / 0-)
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            Fortuno by a small margin admittedly, but the legislature was just brutal for the PNP this election.

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            by fearlessfred14 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:42:42 PM PST

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          •  I've noted elsewhere that if the GOP were to (2+ / 0-)
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            be smart, they would see PR as an opportunity to extend their influence to a socially conservative Latino state; I do not think that PR would be automatically Democratic, not if the GOP were to move with sincerity to support statehood and PR's ambitions.  That may even influence some Puertorriqueños on the continent to reconsider the GOP.

            Of course, I don't want that to happen, I'd rather a Democratic state, but I'm simply not convinced that it would automatically be Democratic.  It's really much more complicated than that, imho.

            "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

            by auron renouille on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:25:05 PM PST

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