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  •  See, if it's not "big government" (3+ / 0-)
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    aliasalias, Agathena, ek hornbeck

    but is rather the people themselves acting to help one another, people who don't know what true socialism is think it is republican. Crazy.

    Grassroots socialism, that is, socialism without a "state" or some controlling institution to govern, is the simplest, most natural form of socialism. Actually, it's communal, or communistic. People do this naturally, working as a team, and as we can see with Occupy Sandy, it works quite well. It's the human tendency to mutual aid, spontaneously helping one another without the need for some accounting method to keep track of debts (I'm thinking of Graeber's work, Debt, in this context).

    Bizarre that the Times (haven't yet read the piece) thinks an effort apart from the government or big relief institutions are republican. Quit the opposite, in fact.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:19:17 AM PST

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    •  No, no, the NYT doesn't imply the effort is (1+ / 0-)
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      republican. I was remarking how the GOP likes to cheerlead the idea of "self-determination' even in the absence of resources/training. And yet, here are regular citizen's doing what needs to be done instead of waiting for "the professionals' to do it.

      "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

      by blueoregon on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:37:25 AM PST

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    •  We need both, helping each other (2+ / 0-)
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      and government programs. You might help your neighbor up after a fall but the government should cover his medical bills. That's what taxes are for.

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:37:21 PM PST

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      •  Well, Ideally (2+ / 0-)
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        we are the government. Except that in practice, we usually are not. But ideally there should be no real difference.

        In the same way that "big government" provides medical care, and the hospital industry has modern facilities, so too could the people themselves provide medical care, and run hospitals. We don't really need mega institutions to care for us as if we are incapable. We can collectively provide health care just as OWS is providing disaster relief.

        When the people govern themselves, it is no longer some far off, distant, impersonal entity we designate as "the government" but rather the people self managing their own lives, which when one stops to give it thought, is a very cool thing.  It's true freedom, true collectivism, a fundamentally sound and agreeable way to live.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:03:51 PM PST

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