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  •  As is California (3+ / 0-)

    you seem a bit scattered...

    Until Prop 13 is repealed it's all a crapshoot.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:18:01 AM PST

    •  This isn't 1978 (2+ / 0-)
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      In some places, house values are going down.  How is repealing Prop 13 going to help in a place like Moreno Valley?

      Also, this is the age of Outsourcing.  A California corporation that doesn't like its taxes can become a Shenzen or Jalisco corporation with relative ease.  And it's even less complicated to become a Nevada or Arizona corporation.

      •  Well (0+ / 0-)

        How about the 1% RE Tax on when you bought the house instead of market value based on current valuations?

        If you bought a house in Atherton in 1979 for 300k you pay 3K in RE taxes even though your house is now worth 3M.  Fair?

        How about that the RE Tax is not filtered through local/town government needs first but instead goes first to Sacramento and is then distributed back to the communities based on their population as it existed in 1978?  Hello Cupertino?

        One could go on...do your homework before spouting off would be my advice.

        "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

        by EdMass on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:40:16 AM PST

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        •  If you've lived in the same place since 79 (1+ / 0-)
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          Then you're probably getting ready to retire about now.

          Possibly on a fixed income.

          That's why Prop 13 passed.....stories about people on fixed incomes who had to sell their houses because they couldn't afford property taxes.

          •  Prop 13 (0+ / 0-)

            "...stories lies and exaggerations about people on fixed incomes who had to sell their houses."

            Fixed that for you.

            Prop 13 has always been first and foremost a huge giveaway to commercial real estate landlords. The bulk of the tax savings from Prop 13 went to and continues to go to corporate landowners.

            Private homeowners, the kind who have been made the poster children of Prop 13 propaganda, are saving pennies on the dollar compared to what huge commercial skyscrapers are saving.

    •  With 2/3, Dem legislators could put that (0+ / 0-)

      on the ballot.

      The personal property tax provision is still popular, but at least we could do split/roll and get businesses to pay their proper share.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:47:29 AM PST

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      •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

        If homeowners still want to have their cake and eat it too, then at the least the business provisions of Prop. 13 could be done away with. And, obviously, the 2/3 requirements to raise tax revenue should be abolished immediately.

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