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  •  You think so? (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, DEMonrat ankle biter, cany

    Or are there fewer young evangelicals?  I mean, more young people rejecting their parent's religion (I mean politics).

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:15:18 PM PST

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    •  Highest Turnout Ever, I'd Say Reports of the Demis (1+ / 0-)
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      of fundamentalism are premature.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:19:54 PM PST

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    •  Actually (7+ / 0-)

      There is a movement amongst some young evangelicals that are tired of battling over the wedge issues of abortion and lbgt rights and are more concerned with ending poverty and working on environmentalism.

      Redefining God's work

      In a similar vein, Mrs Sullivan says that the evangelical right's focus on abortion and gay marriage “overshadows broader social justice issues”. She insists that among evangelicals of her generation such views are not unusual, and the data back her up. In a 2008 poll, a plurality (44%) of young evangelicals characterised their “political views on social issues (health care, poverty)” as “liberal”. Younger evangelicals are more likely than older ones to favour environmental protection and same-sex marriage. And although they remain overwhelmingly pro-life, nearly one-third of them voted for Mr Obama, suggesting greater willingness to vote for a candidate who believes that abortion must remain a matter of choice.

      Then there are the more numinous trends. In 1968 Martin Luther King called Sunday morning “the most segregated hour of Christian America”; today there are a growing number of multicultural evangelical churches, largely driven by young Christians. Soong Chan-Rah, a Korean-American pastor and professor of evangelism at Chicago's North Park seminary, says the rise in multicultural evangelical churches coincides with a decline in the numbers of traditional white evangelicals, and that the newer kind practise a form of evangelical Christianity distinct from the “white, middle-class and Southern” version. These churches, he says, “don't have that sense of triumphalism, that sense that America has to be a great Christian nation.”

      •  The post-modern Evangelicals and fundamentalist (0+ / 0-)

        Dominists are dividing over the behavior of the political party claiming to be the one true bastion of God's faithful remnant.  It doesn't mean that the post-moderns are necessarily parting ways with the GOP or that they will vote (D) on much, or come to align with the DNC party.  It may more likely mean they'll be running and backing some of their own under both (D) and (R) labels.  It's the prospect of some of this group seeking entree with the DNC party that may bring this to a point within our own ranks. It's the logical outcome of the post-modern way of thinking that 'retaking' the GOP didn't get it all for them so what they will have to do is also 'retake' the DNC.  And we were frustrated by 'Blue Dog Democrats' who often aligned with the GOP agenda rather than the DNC and prevented real party discipline from taking hold.  I'm not sure what we'll call these when they come seeking a place within our big tent but it's likely they will come.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:25:14 PM PST

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        •  goes back to Falwell's notion of steeplejacking (0+ / 0-)

          and using stealth members to take control of churches.  Works for politics too though Jerry lies mouldering in his grave

        •  The same applies to Big Money (1+ / 0-)
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          and this year was something of an aberration in that respect anyway.  Big Money will make a very visible presence within the Dems well before the 2016 presidential campaign cycle gets under way.  Count on it.  The Talivangelicals would be wise to likewise becomes "double-breasted" in the vernacular, and everything I'm reading suggests that they will start doing so, even if grudgingly and hesitantly.

          Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

          by ActivistGuy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:15:47 PM PST

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        •  we call them "defeated" (0+ / 0-)

          in the Dem primary when they run if they haul their religion onto the campaign platforms. If they keep their religion private, that's another matter.

          the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

          by vlyons on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:45:08 PM PST

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