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  •  He had a successful run with church people (13+ / 0-)

    and white southern power-brokers, but that's really all he knows.

    I expect that the Republican Party is going to be hard pressed to find many people among their elite ranks who know much more than he does.  They are so insular and have been so intent on alienating many, many groups of people that it is going to take a while for them to successfully - and meaningfully - pivot from this point.

    They are going to try to do it and they've already sent out whatever brown and female people they do have on tap at the moment to do damage control in the post election news cycle, but they have irreconcilable positions at the present that can't be overcome by presenting a talking head who happens to have darker skin or a vagina.  The objectives of the party are so extreme and insane that people can't get past the incongruities.

    It is going to be interesting.  We'd be fools to count them out as people did in 2008 - they aren't going away - the question is whether or not we will be ready to deal with their next crazy political strategy.

    •  My part of Pennsyltucky (6+ / 0-)

      is all church people, although less so evangelicals than anabaptists.

      According to the local paper, although Romney took the county (but not the city, where I live) he had a huge enthusiasm gap over Shrub.  Don't remember what they said about McCain.

      The headline was something like, Voters Unenthusiastic About Romney -- I don't remember exactly, but it was that blatant.

      To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

      by Youffraita on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:28:15 PM PST

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      •  Well, don't underestimate the (3+ / 0-)
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        Mormon factor in counties like yours.  Something that I didn't even really think about when I wrote the comment above - primarily because I was thinking more about the future than this particular election.  But Rove's "crowd" was probably harder to sell on Romney than he'd ever admit publicly.

        •  Romney's nickname at BYU was (2+ / 0-)
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          "One Mighty and Strong."

          That's baseline Mormon terminology for the Mormon Messiah. Right out of Discourses and Covenants (# 85) and the ultimate arrogance when applied to a living early-twenties person.

          Yes, this Messiah becomes President of the United States.

          So maybe we need to worry about 2016/2020/2024/2028 ???

          (Ann says he's not running for office again. So we better plan for 2016 !!)

    •  We will be ready for their next crazy (4+ / 0-)

      political strategy if we can figure out how to maintain the incredible voter id and mobilization machine well-oiled and working, now that Pres Obama will never run again.

      This year we had the math.  We also, shockingly, had the organization.  The key will be to build on that, and not start over from stratch.  Historically, the GOP has punched above their weight w/r/t turnout and organization.  This year, not so much.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:46:33 PM PST

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    •  We need to focus on 2014. (1+ / 0-)
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      If we learned anything from 2010, it's that these folks are going to stew over their loss and come back with a vengeance in the mid-term.

      We need the same ground game we had this year again in 2014, or we're going to be right back where we started.

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