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  •  I had a conversation recently about unions (15+ / 0-)

    with someone who can only be described as an idiot.  He started out with the "unions are bankrupting" businesses argument.   That was followed up with an argument contradicting the original aregument - unions are weak and don't do anything for the dues employees pay. So to thus person they are both too weak and too strong at the same time.
    The next part was even better.  He claimed unions are only for people to weak to negotiate for themselves.  He ends with a rant that he hadn't gotten a raise for several years, he doesn't have any pension or 401k, or employer provided healthcare and his life basically sucks.  So his tough guy negotiating skills gets him squat.   I guess it pays go be a weakling.  
    It is another example of successful GOP propaganda that they have gotten so many people to believe all this bull shit.    

    •  Insulting your peer (0+ / 0-)

      Your post is another example of how union supporters build antagonism towards themselves by throwing insults at people who disagree with them.

      Even if your view is valid, and his is not, do you think you gain support by referring to him as an idiot and a weakling?

      Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

      by bobtmn on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:01:56 PM PST

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    •  In many cases, (7+ / 0-)

      unions are about way more than wages and benefits.

      My spouse has been a member of Amalgamated Transitworkers Union (ATU) for almost 31 years (he's now a retiree member, having retired in October 2011 after nearly 30 years behind the wheel). Thanks to the pension negotiated by the local, he was able to retire instead of being carried out feet first like several of his colleagues (I just learned that one of my favorite drivers just passed away in August). Thanks to the work done by the Safety Committee, buses were retrofit with safer, more ergonomic driver's seats so that people didn't have to take medical retirement for back issues. Finally, thanks to the work done by the local, my spouse and many others were able to keep their jobs when the transit district wanted to get rid of them while they were trying to come in compliance with new DMV regulations regarding health (mainly blood pressure).

      I think I'd like to grab a copy of this book -- sounds fascinating.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:29:23 PM PST

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    •  Yes, those people opposing unions are behooved (1+ / 0-)
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      To talk out both sides of their mouths. When Governor Walker was getting set to outlaw our collective bargaining rights here in WI, he set out to discredit us in any way possible; portrayed us as the "haves" opposed to the non-union "have-nots."

       Riiiiiiiight, we all have cushy, easy, overpaid jobs with fat, undeserved benefits.

      The "have-nots" mostly bought it, and then after Walker dropped the bomb on us, Lt. Gov Kleefisch put an editorial in all the state papers praising the governor's heroic move, and how us state workers should be so grateful because that meant that all 350,000 of us were no longer going to be FORCED to join the union.

       You know, the one that gives us those cushy, easy overpaid jobs with fat, undeserved benefits. Riiiiiiiiight.

      It still makes me sick. We got our rights back, but a lot of damage is done.

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