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  •  PS -- Please don't tell me Oregon LOVES their (0+ / 0-)

    vote by mail, because:

    1.  Oregon's system is 90% better than what other states call "vote by mail"

    2.  But Oregon's system still is backroom voting counting that is only as good as its current Secretary of State.  This last Presidential election a Clackamas County clerk was caught manipulating ballots.

    3.  Oregon's system has never been audited.

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 09:37:16 PM PST

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    •  Actually, Oregon DOES love its vote-by mail! (2+ / 0-)
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      And Oregon audited their election in 2008 (per Common

      Post Election Audits: The 2008 post-election audit conducted showed that vote tally machines counted with close to 100 percent accuracy. While the hand count method employed allows for better tracking of specific machine problems and fraud, it does not provide the degree of count accuracy of the statistical sampling-based polling audit method. Common Cause Oregon supports retaining the current audit program with the improvements adopted by the 2009 legislature that came from a thorough review of the 2008 audit process. We would also support a pilot effort in one or two counties using the polling audit methods. Given state budget difficulties, obtaining foundation support would be probably be necessary, however, for such a pilot effort.
      Here is some info on Oregon's election audit law (per Citizens for election integrity Minnesota):
      Counting Method:

      Hand count only

      See Section 254.529, Subsection (1).

      Oversight and Conduct of Audit:

      The Secretary of State oversees the audit and conducts the random selection, while county clerks conduct the audit. See Section 254.529, Subsections (1) and (3).

      Timeline for Audit:

       The audit must begin no later than the 21st day after the election, and be completed within 30 days after the election. See Section 254.529, Subsection (5).

      According to Subsection (7) of Rule 165-007-0290., the manual audit cannot begin until after certification of the initial election results.

      The random selection is to be conducted no later than 5 p.m. the third business day after the day of the general election. See Subsection (4) of Rule 165-007-0290.
      Additional Resources:
      Oregon Revised Statutes - Title 23 - Elections
      Oregon Secretary of State Elections Division

      And as a matter of fact, a temporary elections worker got caught marking as few as 2 ballots, possibly as many as 6. Several hundred more have been quarantined and are being inspected. She got turned in by her co-worker. She'll get jail time. We don't like our elections fucked with.

      I really don't appreciate your incivility and rudeness. Armando 7/23/11

      by liberte on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:57:31 PM PST

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      •  Oregon likes beers and t.v., too (0+ / 0-)

        But what is convenient is not always what is a best practice for the health of our democracy.

        The reality is that absentee ballots, and their inherent long chain of custody, is far less secure than counting ballots in a decrentralized local neighborhood BEFORE it is mixed.

        Oregon has is good because it's Secretary of State is not a partisan hack, but that will not always be the case.

        And yet Oregon still has problems, such as just one example here:

        This is yet another inconvenient truth we all have to accept and overcome if we want our democracy to remain the hands of the people.

        Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

        by Einsteinia on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:18:24 AM PST

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        •  Oh good god (2+ / 0-)
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          Oregon has some of the healthiest people in the US.  

          The reality is that no matter how fucking hard you try you will ALWAYS have some problems.  Doesn't matter if it's a computer counting the votes or people doing it.  Doesn't matter if it's a private corporation handling it or the SOS doing it for the gubmint. Doesn't matter if it's done out in a public square or in backrooms.

          The reality is that there was ONE fucking incident of some asshole tampering with the votes and that person GOT CAUGHT and will likely rot in jail for a bit for doing it.  THE SYSTEM WORKED.  The next time someone tries they will think twice or they will also likely get caught.  If they don't, so what.  1/100000000000th of 1% of the total will have been compromised.  I think democracy will go on.

          This obsession with perfection when we already have something pretty damn good is fucking ridiculous.  I'd take the Oregon model of voting over the Florida or Ohio model ANY MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN DAY.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:05:35 AM PST

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          •  Would vote by mail work in Ohio (0+ / 0-)

            Hell No!

            Is it because Ohio's people are lesser than those in Oregon?

            Hell No!

            Is it because long journeys to centralized tabulators that count vote behind closed doors is not the smartest way to ensure the longevity of a democracy.

            Hell YES!

            Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

            by Einsteinia on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:46:02 AM PST

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      •  sure wish everyone who's fucking with (2+ / 0-)
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        the elections would face jail time!

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