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  •  As has Obama, for the most part (5+ / 0-)

    He still wants to be liked more than to be feared and respected. He still thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, including dead Italian political philosophers. To Repubs, he's still a punk to be played, and until he proves them wrong, they'll continue to play him. They may be shitbags, but they're not dumb about politics.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:19:12 AM PST

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    •  politicans should fear the electorate - not (4+ / 0-)

      the other way around

      only a few years ago, no one cared much about politics

      things were going OK

      Clinton was paying down the debt so much that W Bush in his State of the Union right after the election said that in 10 years the debt would be all paid off. Then he spent $3 trillion on unfunded wars and gave the 1% a tax break. Reagan tripled the debt during his presidency and the first Bush increased the debt again.

      I heard this again on Thom Hartman who makes a stronger case for Democrats than they do themselves.

      The Republicans, along with the help of the Democrats as when Clinton signed the repeal of the laws that kept the banksters in line since the depression, and other corruption, led to killing off the economy.

      Now with the growth of the security state, we should be in fear of what the government will do to us. Look at how they attacked the OWS movement.

      •  I supported Obama not because I thought (5+ / 0-)

        he'd be the progressive fighter and hero many people (including here) still believe he is, but because I believed he'd be better than Romney, who was simply beyond consideration. I never really expected FDR to emerge after reelection. I still hope to be surprised, but I don't expect it. I don't believe he'll stand up meaningfully to the Repubs, not on his own at least. If he does this, it'll only be due to pressure from the left, be it from the progressive caucus or us, along with the public.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:44:59 AM PST

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        •  So let's create that pressure (2+ / 0-)
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          Don midwest, kovie

          FDR also had to be pressured from the left. In 1937 he succumbed to austerity fever and sent the country back into recession. The left had to push him back.

          We have to do the same thing now.

          •  Hitler and Tojo had something to do with that too (2+ / 0-)
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            shaharazade, Don midwest

            Not that I'm hoping for something terrible to happen, of course (although Sandy seems to be serving that purpose already). But for presidents and parties to drastically alter their policies usually calls for some pretty serious pressure.

            I doubt we'll be able to organize anything coming close until after we go over that "cliff". Which is part of why both sides don't want us to go over it and will likely reach a deal, on the other sides' terms, because they've got more guts than our side. Or are just plain crazier and more reckless (courage often being both).

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:30:27 AM PST

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            •  Hitler and Tojo provided a good excuse (0+ / 0-)

              for government spending. But any kind of stimulus could have gotten the US out of the Depression. It was just easier to get that spending through Congress when threatened by Hitler.

              Going over the cliff should provide some impetus to do something, especially if the military-industrial complex's ox has been gored and the Bush tax cuts for the rich have expired. But we should do as much as we can to pressure Congress and the President.

              •  Less threatened by Hitler than attacked by Tojo (1+ / 0-)
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                But right now there are ample reasons to ramp up certain kinds of spending, as well as sufficient political justification for it.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:31:50 AM PST

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                •  Sending material to Britain earlier (0+ / 0-)

                  helped US manufacturing. The Cash and Carry program that started in 1939 and the Lend-Lease program was enacted in March 1941 - nine months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

                  But I agree with you: the recession provides ample reason and justification to increase spending and Obama's win should provide political power.

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