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  •  In some cases it really is a cliff (3+ / 0-)
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    for example for scientific research that has already been subject to a decade of below inflation increases in budgeting.

    With this, essentially NO new grants would get funded for 1 (and up to 3) years.

    •  I understand there are crucial and urgent elements (6+ / 0-)
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      Neon Mama, lurkyloo, 2thanks, Sylv, DemSign, Pluto

      to this, but if Ezra and others are correct, allowing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire automatically solves some issues and puts us at a better starting point to deal with other issues.

      Those tax cuts were grossly irresponsible in the first place and along with two wars are the primary casue of our fiscal problems. You don't cut taxes when you go to war, you raise them. We triple whammied ourselves and did it on purpose to get ourselves that much closer to being able to drown government in a bath tub. We can't undo the war spending, but we sure as hell can fix the tax cuts.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 04:46:56 AM PST

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      •  My concern is that hasn't the House already (1+ / 0-)
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        voted to exempt the military from the "cliff"?    Methinks that will probably stick, making things THAT MUCH WORSE for everything else.

        And yes, I'd love to see all the Bush tax cuts expire.  But fat chance of that!!

        •  The House has already voted, multiple times… (2+ / 0-)
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          …to outlaw abortion and repeal Obamacare. Guess what? All those votes are meaningless without agreement with the Senate.

          Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: DemSign.com. Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

          by DemSign on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:28:29 AM PST

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          •  Those issues are somewhat different than (1+ / 0-)
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            what we're discussing here - namely a strictly budgetary issue that is constitutionally primarily in the realm of the House.

            So yeah, what they do can definitely be ameliorated by the Senate, but still, the House has WAY  too much influence here.

            •  Ya know, the main, maybe only? problem in the (0+ / 0-)

              House is the Tea Party contingent and they are, unless I'm mistaken, only 25% of all House GOPers. It seems there has got to be a way, especially given the reality that a good percent of theie constituents want them to get somerhing done, to peal away the roughly 20 votes we need to get shit done. I know it'd be tough, but my thought is if Dems were prepared to fight like pitbulls and get down and dirty that we could pull it off. Some of these folks are going to lose in 2014 anyway if they don't act like sane legislators. Many red districts are not tea bagger territory.

              Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

              by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:23:50 AM PST

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