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  •  This is nice to believe, but... (6+ / 0-)

    We had to move heaven and Earth just to inch past dead even in Florida in an election that was as stark a moral referendum as it gets.  What happens in 2014 when our base goes to sleep again like in 2010 while the GOP still goes about its habit of buying elections, and then in 2016 when OFA's not there and our candidate is probably nowhere near Barack Obama in charisma and popularity?  Florida is like the history of Poland: A perpetual war zone, and always the worse for wear even when the villains are defeated.

    "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

    by Troubadour on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:21:13 AM PST

    •  yep there's absolutely... (1+ / 0-)
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      no reason to believe that our side learned the midterm lesson of 2010.

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:33:02 AM PST

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      •  thouhg I disagree that... (1+ / 0-)
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        our next presidential contender will necessarily be less charismatic. And it's rather unlikely that they will be able to pin the "other" label and all the BS that comes with it on someone else.

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:53:43 AM PST

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        •  Barack Obama is a once-in-a-generation phenomenon. (2+ / 0-)
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          He went from being a civil rights lawyer to being President of the United States in a little over a decade, and shattered every single cynical conservative trope about the American electorate twice.  Of our previous candidates over the last 40+ years, which ones even come close to that?

          John Kerry
          Al Gore
          Bill Clinton
          Michael Dukakis
          Walter Mondale
          Jimmy Carter
          George McGovern
          Hubert Humphrey

          Face it, our record of nominating the right candidates is not that great, and even when we do pick the best of the available bunch, they're usually mediocre.  We went with John Kerry over Wes Clark for God's sake, and had a hell of a time deciding that Obama was better than Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, which for my part was freaking blindingly obvious.  

          "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

          by Troubadour on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:04:28 AM PST

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          •  don't blame... (1+ / 0-)
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            me...I supported Wesley Clark in 2004!

            "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

            by JackND on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:25:53 AM PST

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            •  Me too. (0+ / 0-)

              Sadly, the reality-based contingent of the Party wasn't yet in full swing at the time.  And I'm afraid it'll go back to sleep once Obama and OFA are no longer in the picture.  We'll be presented with a slate of paint-by-numbers party machine mediocrities and politically inept quixotics - i.e., the normal state of the Democratic Party.  A lot of us are in denial about how extraordinary the Obama presidency is.

              "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

              by Troubadour on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:32:01 AM PST

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    •  If it's Hillary in 2016, Florida is all ours. (3+ / 0-)
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      Latinos ADORE that woman.  And speaking of gender, a much higher % of FL voters age 75 and up are female.

      But, you make accurate points about 2014 and about what if there is a new candidate in 2016 without Obama's charisma.  He will be a very tough act to follow; regardless of whether Hillary runs in 2016 I think some younger potential POTUS contenders will pass on that cycle and wait to ripen more fully for 2020.

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