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  •  Its a campaign and governance issue... (none)
    ...not a magnanimous gesture. Ethics issues will be a big part of the 2006 and 2008 elections. We should reinstitute a Senate filibuster right, in part because we will be campaigning as the party of ethics and in part because filibusters play an important role in government.

    Any nominees confirmed under the no-filibuster interregnum will have asterisks by their names, and be tainted with regard to Supreme Court nomination.

    I've got blisters on my fingers!

    by Elwood Dowd on Sat May 21, 2005 at 04:17:39 PM PDT

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    •  Not a Question of Ethics (none)
      Whether the filibuster exists or not is not a question of ethics at all. So bringing it back when the Dems regained control of the Senate would be no more ethical than not doing so.

      The Dems need to display some fortitude and stand up to the bullies on the right. That is what Americans will respect. I can't help but think that if Kerry had fought back immediately on the swiftboat liars and taken it to Bush himself, that more voters might have concluded that Kerry would also have had the cajones to stand up to terrorists.

      If the filibuster goes down, then the Senate will have changed forever; it will be like Humpty-Dumpty and the Dems should take advantage of the changes as best they can and not waste effort trying to reconstruct that which will have been forever lost. The rightwing bullies have had their way for so long that I don't expect them to take it very well if the Dems stand up to them. Fine, let them whine - it won't endear them to the voters.

      •  The Repubs got in on ethics (none)
        and they didn't feel the need to go restoring the 2/3rds rule for cloture.
      •  The ethical question... (none)
        is not "what are the cloture rules?" but "how can rules changes be made?"

        To accept the nuclear option as legitimate precedent puts all Senate rules at the mercy of a single vote majority at any time. That's bad, IMO, regardless of what happens to cloture.

        I've got blisters on my fingers!

        by Elwood Dowd on Sun May 22, 2005 at 04:08:41 AM PDT

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        •  Sorry... (none)
          I guess I missed the point about the cloture rules in the post I responded to. Regardless, if the GOP prevails, there will be absolutely no point in the Dems reverting back to the old way since the first chance they get, the Rethugs will simply change the rules again to suit themselves. Perhaps there is some way of reforming the rules such that breaking them would not be so easy to do at the whim of the majority but I don't know enough to say.

          As for this somehow working to the advantage of the Dems as an ethics issue, I just don't see the average voter - who has pretty much yawned at this Administration's lies, its sanction of torture and trashing of the Constitution - getting too worked up over GOP maneuvering around some arcane Senate rules that prevent the majority from having its way.

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