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  •  CNN is reporting that the Obama Administration (4+ / 0-)
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    is offering up cuts to Medicare as part of their olive branch to the GOP. :(

    :( seriously :(

    •  So WH is already giving away pre-concessions (2+ / 0-)
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      to make the GOP's owners happy. Is it November of 2010 all over again? Sure looks like it.

      "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

      by Lefty Coaster on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:13:39 AM PST

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      •  Schumer's pre-emptively surrendering on top (3+ / 0-)

        marginal rates:

        Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the No. 3 Senate Democrat, extended an olive branch to Republicans, suggesting Thursday that he could accept a tax plan that leaves the top tax rate at 35 percent, provided that loophole closings would hit the rich, not the middle class. He previously had said that he would accept nothing short of a return to the top tax rate of Bill Clinton’s presidency, 39.6 percent.

        “If you kept them at 35, it’s still much harder to do,” Mr. Schumer said, “but obviously there is push and pull, and there are going to be compromises

        The hostage-takers won in 2010, they won in 2011, and they will win now.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:27:36 AM PST

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      •  He has to negotiate on some (0+ / 0-)

        things we won't like. Its a fact that the GOP controls the House. That will not change. If O negotiates on certain entitlements, but stands strong on the revenue side where he ran, the GOP has no choice. None. Either they appear unreasonable and uncompromising and we go over the cliff. Or they give and our side gives to work on this together.

      •  CFC-style deal has been president's goal all along (2+ / 0-)
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        He and WJC both mentioned the CFC in their DNC speeches.  His Des Moines Register interview extolled the virtues of the CFC, too:

        So when you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, the sequester in place, the commitment of both myself and my opponent -- at least Governor Romney claims that he wants to reduce the deficit -- but we’re going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business.
        It will probably be messy. It won’t be pleasant. But I am absolutely confident that we can get what is the equivalent of the grand bargain that essentially I’ve been offering to the Republicans for a very long time, which is $2.50 worth of cuts for every dollar in spending, and work to reduce the costs of our health care programs.

        And we can easily meet -- “easily” is the wrong word -- we can credibly meet the target that the Bowles-Simpson Commission established of $4 trillion in deficit reduction, and even more in the out-years, and we can stabilize our deficit-to-GDP ratio in a way that is really going to be a good foundation for long-term growth. Now, once we get that done, that takes a huge piece of business off the table.

        If one side is willing to hold hostages and the other side wants a deal, the hostage-takers generally get most of what they want.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:19:48 AM PST

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        •  I for one am trusting the president this (1+ / 0-)
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          time.  During the debt ceiling debate we thought our side came up short when in actually we got a pretty good deal.  With Obamacare I huffed & puffed over not having a public option when there is an option in the exchange when it is implemented in 2014 that will essentially do just that.  Again, I trust the president when he says that he will protect our benefits (i.e. medicare/medicaid/social security) and that he wants to invest in education and infrastructure.  This time I'm not going to panic.  He's pretty much done what he said he was going to do.  He's a politician but he genuinely wants to get the best deal for us.  

        •  except this time we have hostages,too (1+ / 0-)
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          The military cuts in the sequester. Republicans aren't going to let those cuts go into effect. They'd lose all that sweet, sweet defense lobbyist money!

          I think in the end Republicans will trade tax cuts for the wealthy for those defense cuts.

    •  Got a direct link to that? (0+ / 0-)
    •  Well that is CNN who still thinks the election was (10+ / 0-)

      a Tie.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:06 AM PST

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    •  Don't beleive rumors (1+ / 0-)
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      We have heard these rumors countless times.  Always false

      Still call the White House, all of you, and say no way

      If not, then stop complaining about whatever the President does. It is up to us, right?

      (Amd I'm terrible at remembering to call myself)

      This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

      by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:23:38 AM PST

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      •  WTF? (3+ / 0-)

        I kept my mouth shut as directed so that he would be reelected.  He's plum out of free passes from me now.  

        Cutting Medicare is a huge hit for retirees and those of us who are related to them.

        I understand that Ryan and Romney would have been far more dangerous, but the fact that Obama can't hold the line on the Medicare front is beyond ridiculous.  The people who rely on Medicare are the most vulnerable people in our society - I don't think it is much of a stretch to see their welfare as a decent baseline - decent as in decency.

        And these rumors aren't always false.  The bullshit that Obama is finally going to take this or that big important stand against the GOP robber barons have been the rumors that have more often than not turned out to be false.

        •  Is it possible to cut Medicare (i.e. waste.. (0+ / 0-)

          fraud, & abuse) and not cut benefits?  I think so.  Trust the President on this guys.  He hasn't let me down yet.  

          •  Medicare is not full of waste, fraud and (2+ / 0-)
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            abuse to the extent that the Republicans would have you believe.  

            That is a Republican talking point.

            It is actually a pretty streamlined and efficient system.

            In any case, what do seniors' healthcare plans have to do with Billionaire's tax cuts?  The ONLY link there is that if the Billionaires had been paying their fair share through two wars and an economic downturn, their anti-deficit rhetoric would not have been so powerful - and there would be less of a reason to be running around finding ways to cut defenseless little old lady's entitlements.

            Sigh.

            •  Correct: Medicare waste is GOP talking point (1+ / 0-)
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              Just like voter fraud.

              Republicans fear the US turning into Greece want to implement austerity measures... like Greece.

              by feloneouscat on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:18:50 AM PST

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            •  I don't agree with that...President O just found (0+ / 0-)

              716 B in over payments on the provider side.  You can't tell me that there is not more.  These insurance companies and hospital cartels even the AMA who make doctors join the associations & then negotiate deals that are not necessarily in the best interests of the doctors or their patients.  Push being able to negotiate for drugs alone those savings would be incredible.  There is plenty of money out there on the provider side before we even think of messing around with the benefits.

              •  When John Bohner and the GOP are willing (0+ / 0-)

                to give Medicare the ability to negotiate pharmaceutical pricing, we'll talk.  But that's not what's going to happen right now.

                Also, like any large program, there are going to be instances of waste and fraud, but really Medicare is remarkably clean these days and has been for probably 15 years at least.  Obviously, the policing and vigilant oversight must continue, but none of that takes an act of a John Bohner's House Republicans.  All of those rules are already in place and are enforceable.

          •  He has (1+ / 0-)
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            He's let progressives down on numerous occasions.  Your values differ, it seems, but those of us to the left of you have good cause for concern.  

            This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

            by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:55:09 AM PST

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            •  Well...I think before we should pounce (0+ / 0-)

              we should see how this is going to take shape.

              •  I disagree, easier to fix early than late (1+ / 0-)
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                Prospect Park

                once an idea becomes "the proposal" it's harder to get any politician to back down on.

                If we were to call the White House now with preemptive heat, then there is less of a chance that it becomes the official talking point.

                Put another way, it's easier to stop a trial ballon than a negotiating position.

                This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

                by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:16:43 AM PST

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        •  now hang on (0+ / 0-)

          Cutting medicare would be a huge hit.

          What we haven't seen is an actual proposal from Obama saying that he is planning to offer such cuts.

          Sure, some preemptive phone calls of the "Don't you dare" variety are warranted to stiffen spines.

          But believing that Obama actually plans to do anything of the sort is not, really.

          This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

          by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:54:16 AM PST

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    •  CNN says it? Well, there's a track record.... (3+ / 0-)

      of great accuracy.

      You know who said it? The same asshole Republicans that were leaking bogus crap for the last 9 months. You know why? Because they want to set the debate parameters.

      Thankfully, Obama is going to speak today and we'll get to sort through fact from CNN, err fiction.

    •  Are these the $716 Billion cuts (2+ / 0-)
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      that the GOP was wailing against during the campaign or are these new "cuts"?

      My sense is that Obama is trying hard to decrease the expenditures of medicare by cost savings, and it's possible that they see more available cuts that wouldn't affect benefits.

    •  Watch, though, this is a "Please proceed" moment (1+ / 0-)
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      shevas01

      He's walking the Republicans into a corner here, where they're going to have to choose between ending their obstructionism or ceding the 2014 house.

      Howard Dean will always be my president.

      by 4democracy on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:47:05 AM PST

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    •  God Almighty! (0+ / 0-)

      We have a hard earned MANDATE!

      A society of sheep must beget in time a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel

      by Little Red Hen on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:57:49 AM PST

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