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  •  yeah, he's 'outraged'. 'going after' them (4+ / 0-)

    is another story altogether. he's been huffing and puffing for the cameras a lot. not actually accomplishing anything though.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:14:02 PM PST

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    •  It is difficult to change the present (3+ / 0-)

      situation with respect to the power companies.  According to the stories, they've run out of materials - they don't have enough power poles, for instance.

      Anyway, whether or not you think it will come to anything other than his bluster, he is doing the right thing based on what I saw here with respect to Pepco.  It wasn't until the politicians started going after the company publicly that they finally started to take them seriously and make changes.

      •  Last year's Hurricane Irene was a huge red flag (2+ / 0-)
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        warning - unheeded. Please read the linked article.

        "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

        by eXtina on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:44:32 PM PST

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        •  It took a while around here and a lot (5+ / 0-)

          of outages that weren't fixed for weeks - but we'd had all of those outages not all at once or for so long for at least five years prior.

          We had storms in 2010 and 2011 - one in the winter - that all totaled knocked my power out for probably 20 days, I think.

          Anyway, yours is not a unique problem.  Politicians around the country are just figuring out that they are going to have to go after the power companies.  The years of neglect since deregulation is starting to really show even in smaller weather events.  It is probably going to get even more interesting over the coming decade because pretty much none of them are doing the maintenance and upgrades that they should have been doing - and they are all charging really jacked up prices.  

          My power bill is about five times higher now than it was in 2005.

          •  I hope you are right about this (1+ / 0-)
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            Politicians around the country are just figuring out that they are going to have to go after the power companies.  The years of neglect since deregulation is starting to really show even in smaller weather events.
            The situation in New York is going to drive people and businesses out of New York city.  The high prices, people were willing to pay because you could count a pretty high level of public services. Not after this.
      •  As Cuomo said - 'they're a power company. They (1+ / 0-)
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        ran out of poles. Yes, poles. Can you believe it?" Very disingenuously.

        "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

        by eXtina on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:45:37 PM PST

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      •  Bear in mind that when they site X customers (2+ / 0-)
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        are without power, they are only counting properties that can be safely re-energized.

        I have diaried about this - all the properties that were flooded or have internal damage from the storm have to be certified by a licensed electrician.  

        NONE of those folks are counted in the tally of "customers without power" even though they received a monthly utility bill before the storm.

        Also: 1 customer could be a whole building full of apartments or businesses.

        Example: Stuy Town - Coopers' Village, is a residential property in Manhattan. Together have ~20,000 apartments, (not sure if they count as 1 customer or 2 customers).

        •  I hope you don't think that I am making (2+ / 0-)
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          excuses for their failures.  When I said that it was difficult to change the present situation that statement went specifically to the issue of these companies being both ill prepared for emergency (low stock for repairs) and not having kept up with regular maintenance that would have potentially prevented such widespread damage.  There is a lot of old equipment out there.  They spent months working on my area.  I stopped to talk to the guys working on the lines to ask how bad it was one day after a storm and they looked at me rather wide-eyed and said, "It's really bad."

          I asked what the problem was and one guy said something about trying to revive long dead equipment.  They were waiting for a part, but weren't sure whether that was going to actually help.  I thanked them and they were really nice to me.  It wasn't their fault they didn't have the parts they needed to really fix the problem.  I felt their frustration.  

          That was before the politicians finally lost it.  Once the politicians started to go after the power companies, connections including the one that the guys were trying to jury rig back together were replaced completely.  All new!

          •  Don't worry, I didn't take it that way nt (2+ / 0-)
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          •  Mayor announced today that green placard (2+ / 0-)
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            homes will be repaired first, because he wants to get the quick projects done first.

            Does that make sense to you?

            http://www.ny1.com/...

            Green is the least damaged
            Yellow means ? - go in with caution, might be unsafe
            Red means uninhabitable

            Are the yellow placard homes uninhabitable at the moment?

            •  No. It doesn't make any sense at all. (2+ / 0-)
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              Bloomberg has been "off" all the way through this storm saga, imo.

              •  We are going to see Sandy refugees, both people (2+ / 0-)
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                and businesses just leave New York because it will be cheaper to start over elsewhere than to wait in line for the Mayor's repair triage.

                The deal is contractors arranged by city+FEMA will be assigned to a given area, and they will hire subcontractors to actually do the work.

                Something tells me this will not end well.

                •  I hope that it could end well. (2+ / 0-)
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                  The Jersey shore was too intensely populated for me, but what I can tell you is that I always marveled at how many middle class and working class people had the opportunity to have a cottage on that shore.

                  If we have real recovery for the people, we will not be building Donald Trump towers when we go back to rebuild.  We will be making sure that the shore is still a dream within reach - AND we will be looking at how we can protect that coast line and the residents from superstorms.  And if we can't, we should not rebuild and make sure that the coast is not privatized - that it remains state or federally protected so that people can use it for recreation, at the very least.

                •  there are already tiny businesses, ruined (1+ / 0-)
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                  in that position

                  "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

                  by eXtina on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:58:04 PM PST

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                  •  And it shows gross incompetence that it (1+ / 0-)
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                    took them 11 days after the storm to come up with this plan.

                    This could have been thought through and pre-organized (at least on some scale).

                    It goes like this:

                    Assemble a list of Contractor applications and sub-contractors who are evaluated for capacity and specialty.

                    You keep the list current, updating each quarter.

                    When the storm hits - you immediately tell the public there is a plan, and you get boots on the ground, with the building inspectors, to make initial assessments of what each building will need.  

          •  That's encouraging - and I hope that we see (2+ / 0-)
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            change here.

            That was before the politicians finally lost it.  Once the politicians started to go after the power companies, connections including the one that the guys were trying to jury rig back together were replaced completely.  All new!
            Unfortunately, I think the demand will have to come from business leaders AND residents pulling together.
            •  Well, the politicians were both victims (2+ / 0-)
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              themselves of the power outages and under intense pressure from constituents and businesses that were tired of losing food, money and business because of what were in some cases fairly pedestrian summer rain storms.

              The "Superstorm" excuse around here was not applicable in most of these cases.  These were typical summer storms for our area.

              I'll tell you something else which is that after the summer of 2010 Pepco made a big deal of their program to trim trees near power lines.  They ran ads and went around and trimmed trees.  They told us that that was going to be the solution to their problems with delivering power to us.  

              BUT the thing was that in 2011 after all of the trees had been trimmed their transformers and equipment was still blowing up all over the place.  In my case, it was the same old transformer.  I thought, "Must not have been a tree problem all this time."  That seems to have been the case with a lot of neighborhoods like mine.  Old, bad equipment that needed to be replaced was the culprit, not the trees.

              •  Same situation up here - we have capacity load (1+ / 0-)
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                maximums every summer, where somewhere there's a power outage.

                And yes, trees and poles down in ordinary severe thunderstorms.

                A state congressman (R) is among those who lost his house in Breeze Point to the fire there. (They had not heeded the mandatory evacuation order).

                The substation explosion in Manhattan as the storm surge hit was captured on video, and will be part of a powerful narrative, I'm sure.  This is what happens when we let the utility company extract dividends instead of upgrading or hardening their systems.

        •  Just yesterday nYT had a story on one such couple (1+ / 0-)
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          living in FiDi their building electrical panel got fried with water, they live in a $3,000 mo 1 BR rental and are now living in a hotel at $165 a night, and all they have been told is what you said - Con Ed has dumped the responsbility on the landlord, and now word on who is paying the hotel bill or if there will be rent relief

          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:57:14 PM PST

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          •  The utility company only has responsiblity to (1+ / 0-)
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            deliver power to the property.

            What is really pissing me off if that when the Mayor simply repeats the utility number, X customers are still without power, it's such a grossly misleading number.

            The press need to be asking him how many homes and businesses LOST power due to Sandy?  How many households and businesses are displaced because their building is uninhabitable?

    •  The minute he spearheads a campaign to regulate... (2+ / 0-)
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      ....compensation of top execs at the power companies and demand that they PERMANENTLY hire 25% more utility workers in case another storm comes, then I'll buy his "outrage".

      Otherwise, it's just "puffing", as you say.

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      by PatriciaVa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:41 PM PST

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