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  •  He is really a punch line at this point. (14+ / 0-)

    Just before the election he was fretting about how entitlements had not been discussed during the campaign.

    Gregory heads and hosts pretty much the most important political program and he's complaining that the entitlements debate wasn't discussed enough.  Rolling eyes.

    •  in related news (12+ / 0-)

      stephen king is really bummed that those kids were so mean to carrie.

      If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

      by papa monzano on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:27:17 AM PST

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    •  "entitlements" is a dysphemism, the (19+ / 0-)

      antithesis of the euphemism. That is, it is a word designed to make a good thing sound bad.
      In this case, "entitlements" is used to discredit rights.

      Since it wouldn't be politic to announce "we're going to take away your rights," the Cons, who are basically antagonistic towards their own kind --i.e. other people, promise to "reduce entitlements."  See, they employ a dysphemism to dissemble. Dissemble is another word for lie, to hide what one really intends and avoid the resistance it earns. Cowards dissemble.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:38:29 AM PST

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      •  Entitlements is not a bad word. (4+ / 0-)

        In the case of Social Security and Medicare because people have paid into the insurance programs, they are entitled to the benefits.

        In fact, our failure to clarify that point alone has cost us in the public debate.  It is a lot easier to win the battle to preserve these programs if Americans are clear on their right to the benefits.

        The Republicans have done a very good job over the years talking people out of what's rightfully theirs.

        •  entitlements is a terrible worned to use (3+ / 0-)
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          see my comment (below).

          these are earned benefits. let them start talking about cutting earned benefits and see what happens.

          mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

          by wewantthetruth on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:28:46 AM PST

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          •  I guess you missed my point. (3+ / 0-)
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            The problem does not stem from the terminology as much as it is rooted in the effective campaign to create a disconnect between Americans and their "earned benefits" - in fact the word "benefits" comes with its own challenges, too.  People think of "benefits" as "bennies" like "expense accounts".  They've been convinced that benefits are for the rare, few and exceptional - "benefits" go to management and investment bankers.

            No word smithing will solve this problem.  Until people are convinced that they have the right to their lifelong investments in these programs the games Republicans play will continue to pollute this debate.  Until someone states clearly, "That money is yours - you have a right to those services because you've paid for them" we won't have the public pressure to shut these debates about cutting the programs down and to start to figure out how to strengthen them.

        •  Humans are entitled to be sustained by (1+ / 0-)
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          their own kind by virtue of being born into the community. Being supported and sustained does not have to be earned. The notion that it does merely supports the belief that some humans have a right to determine who lives and who dies.
          "No free lunch" is short for, "if you con't follow orders and behave yourself, you won't get fed and be left to die." To go along with this notion, we have the belief that the human species is naturally hierarchical and some people are designed to tell others what to do. The truth is that some humans are predatory and exploitative of their own kind and their verbal acuity lets them justify behavior that is really beneath contempt. No other species routinely exploits its own.

          We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:54:42 PM PST

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    •  Entitlements (1+ / 0-)
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      I know the msm and talking heads want to use this word to talk about social security and medicare however these are earned benefits that we've paid over our working lifetimes.

      if they started calling them earned benefits there would be an uproar loader than we have ever heard when they start talking about taking them away or even modifying them.

      when they have cut military spending by 30%, closed business loopholes, done away with corporate welfare and subsidies, got all Fortune 500 companies to pay taxes and raised taxes on the 1% then we can talk about earned benefits, but even there, before anything else, there needs to be means testing.

      we should all push back on them using "entitlements".

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:26:41 AM PST

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    •  MTP stopped being relevant when it became (3+ / 0-)

      Sunday with McCain.

      For Christina's America

      by DWKING on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:09:45 PM PST

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