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  •  Lot of room between constructive criticism (7+ / 0-)

    And the meltdown of epic proportions people like Matthews, Shulz, and many a poster here had.  

    •  I gave my strongest constructive criticism (6+ / 0-)

      online for it to be recorded and noted and attended to, and I did that politely, recalling President Obama's basic tendency to respond and react to strong words stated out of care alongside his tendency to dismiss hair-on-fire stuff (which has been long noted).

      It was because it has been his style to come back with a vengeance when he gets it wrong that I knew the first debate, even though I didn't really care he did poorly per se (it seemed like a "whatever" to me), because that's been his style, I stated clearly online what I thought: please do better next time because that wasn't good, and I want you to win.

      I think there's such a distinction between going into meltdown panic mode to explain yourself and being direct.

      If someone's shrieking and angry, and we've all been in that situation in our lives, it's hard to hear them and easy to tune them out. If someone's firm and clear about their disappointment, we tend to constructively respond to them. That's why I tried to respond to the first debate without the screaming panic, but firmly and truly (I didn't think it was a clunker, but it sure wasn't good).

      I had full trust that Obama would win the next debate with enough sensible feedback. I'd have bet money on it. It is his style going way back. When you think he's down, and when he sees it, he bounces back. Like the Rev. Wright speech on race. Like with Hillary Clinton in the Primaries. He bounces back if he sees his supporters didn't like what he did.

      But he also does seem to tune out true panic. He seems to respond better, in my humblest observations, to firm, calm, sensible critique. I'm glad for those of us who gave that to him.

      And all that aside, why are we doing this post mortem now?

      WE JUST WON THE ELECTION. Handsomely. With new States and swing states too. With a very Progressive roster of new Senators. Why look backward right now? If there is a benefit to doing this right now, I can't really think what it is?

      •  I can't figure it out either (5+ / 0-)

        Enough about the debates. We won! The Repugs are making up new shit about Petraeus and Benghazi as we sit here shredding our clothes over something that happened on October 3rd!

        Sheesh! Enough.

        I'd personally like a few more moments dancing on Rmoney's grave instead of having a pie fight about who was righter about the first debate!

        We Won! Let's act like it!

        In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

        by vcmvo2 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 04:37:53 PM PST

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      •  One point I'd like to make to make to your comment (3+ / 0-)

        though I agree, we won so let's move on.

        The only review that we know the President heard for sure was from what some are calling Matthews hair-on-fire critique. We know because the President joked about it. I'm not aware of any evidence for your contention that he tunes that out. Sure a lot of people do but I couldn't say that the President is one of them.

        •  Evidence like that he posted to this site (1+ / 0-)
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          once and then dropped his account. I guess that was one thing I was thinking of. And watching him for the past few years in general.

          Sorry to not be more specific... we're having a household issue right now, suddenly...

      •  I love your comments (3+ / 0-)

        But I also think reflection is always great after an election. It's never easy to just walk away from a presidential campaign without at the very least sharing war stories with each other.

        It's all part of it. Reflection. I think it's a good thing.

        And I really do owe a debt of gratitude to people here who kept their heads, which in turn helped me keep mine, which in turn provided me an opportunity to be the calm one during the stormiest days to Obama supporters in my life.

        So many of them apologized to me the day after the election, but I just smiled and gave them a hug.

        They are the unfortunate ones. They only read the headlines and listen to the screaming.

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