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  •  Sadly, I come across a lot of "Yes, but" liberals (4+ / 0-)

    They're all for liberal policies, except the ones that might inconvience them. The genius of Repubs over the past 40 years was to recognize the latent conservatism of much of the polity when it came to issues that affected them. Sheer brilliance.

    To me, it's like MB's oft-quoted line: Don't tell me what you believe, tell me what you DO. I take this not to mean that we all have to become activists, but that we at least all have to support policies that while they might not be so great for us individually are nevertheless what's best for the country or community.

    Cue up sheepish and semi-embarrassed "You caught me" looks.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:28:30 AM PST

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    •  That was me about 20 years ago (5+ / 0-)
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      I used to call myself "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" then it dawned on me. The universe doesn't always work that way, if you want real social justice -- schools, healthcare, even things like federally funded research on cancer, AIDS, alternate energy, etc. then you've got to pay for them with taxes. There's a Kossack with a sig that reads something like, "I enjoy paying taxes -- with them I buy civilization". I'm there. It took me a while to get their though. And I think we could do a much better job selling that to others.

      To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:32:55 AM PST

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      •  Me too (3+ / 0-)
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        I was a Clintonite in the 90's and even supported (prudent) financial deregulation as a way to make the economy more flexible and fluid. Boy was I a sucker like so many others. I also believed that balancing the budget was essential. Obviously, I had no idea what I was talking about and simply parroting what I was deliberated told by the well-oil beltway PR machine that worked with and for BOTH sides.

        You know what finally woke me up? Sure, reading all sorts of eye-opening pieces here and elsewhere helped fill in the details. But it was reading Ron Chernow's excellent recent bio of Alexander Hamilton, the father of the US economic and financial system, and his well-founded belief in the inherent utility and necessity of well-managed debt, that finally turned on that light bulb in my head. Without debt we simply CANNOT have a modern economy of world. With it, provided it's for good and necessary things and managed well, we can do wonders. And it can be carried into infinity. We do not EVER need to retire the debt, so long as we can sustain it, which we absolutely can if it's managed well. The day that we do retire it is the day that we really will go off a cliff.

        Of course, any politician who says that today will instantly be destroyed.

        Capitalism is inherently and unavoidably about debt. Without debt there IS no capitalism. It's capitalism's primary driver, its circulatory pump. If money and capital are its blood, then debt is what moves it from where it is to where it's needed. Sorry to obsess over this but it's become an obsession with me.

        There. Is. No. Debt. Crisis.

        /rant

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:50:19 AM PST

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    •  During the 60s and 70s Republicans kept saying (5+ / 0-)

      Democrats were buying votes with social programs. Then they figured out they could buy even more votes with tax cuts and deficits.

      I grew up Republican in an all-Republican family. But by the time I was 18 I had come to know that, like your'e saying,  Republicans are about themselves and Democrats are about all of us.

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:36:36 AM PST

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