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  •  some don't hate Obama as much as some say (5+ / 0-)

    some don't as easily trust (racial bias isn't black and white it's a continuum, distrust of the "other", unless you are concious of it and try to overcome it, is human nature and MANY Americans over 45 were raised to distrust Blacks in our racist society). him PLUS they are duped by right wing propaganda that puts voice and words and seemingly cogent arguments (lies) to their gut feeling.

    FOX is not cable. It is available to struggling working class people ON REGULAR TV (myself, I do not have I get Fox can't sadly get MSNBC). The right wing media cabal duped people and played on economic and in some case racial fears.

    I promise that you are the VAST majority of Romney supportser do not hate Obama. SOme, possibly many do. Others distrust him and lack the time bandwidth or education or IQ to question their mendacious news sources.

    •  this sounds like (6+ / 0-)

      a whole lot of excuses, but not alot of sense. I'm glad that you are willing to understand the propaganda that prevails on Fox and right-wing media sources, but you are wrong that the "vast" majority of Romney supporters don't hate Obama. That's what right-wing media outlets do: teach hate; against the "other" ie: Obama.

      •  you perhaps mistake me (5+ / 0-)
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        I agree...the race baiting...I wanted to throttle Sununu...I agree that the R wing media teaches hate

        I also happen to know a number of people that voted for Romney and it is because they FELL FOR THE MISINFOMATION. most do not rabidly hate Obama. Some don't like him.  Often that is because of misinformation.

        Most Americans thing Obama raised taxes. Most Americans do not know that Romney lied MORE THAN least most swing voters, I think.

        SO many people fell for the lies.

        I think it's dangerous to dismiss our fellow Americans in an almost all or nothing way as Haters because  they voted for the other guy.

        Though I see this impulse commonly on Kos and elsewhere.
        Some, perhaps MANY, hate Obama. Many hate what they have HEARD he has done.

        But I do not think that MOST Romney voters HATE Obama
        I thinmk that goes too far.

        I think the state of the average voter who voted for Romney...not the 15-20% (guess) that are far rabid right...was that they were duped by lies.

        WE can do something about lies. Counter them with the truth.
        Counter Fox news and right wing propaganda and the obvious (Now) innabilty of the MSM to report the truth emphatically enough, if at all, to LAND on the low information voters solidly enough to cancel the Fox propaganda.
        if we label our fellow Americans...yup 47% of them as MOSTLY HATERS
        we dismiss nearly half the country as beyond reach (sound familiar?)

        we can't reach the far rabid racist right but my guess is that a good chunk of romney voters are not that far gone
        we disagree apparently. Which is fine.

        •  I agree. (9+ / 0-)

          A lot of Republicans hate the racism and even social conservatives in their party but have fallen for this utter myth that Private > Public and Business > Government.  That's one of the most fundamental lies in our culture and I'm determined to help erode it more explicitly over the next two years.  

          •  I try to counter the Private > Public (1+ / 0-)
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            With an argument that should appeal to their fiscal conservative side:  Private = Public + a 20 to 30% profit margin - so it's eventually gonna cost you more, even if the initial bids come in low . . . .

            Some of them get it, and some are too brainwashed to think it through.

            We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

            by susanWAstate on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:45:39 AM PST

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        •  Truth Doesn't Matter (16+ / 0-)

          Trust me, truth doesn't matter to the crowd which decided to oppose Obama.  I encountered a number of them during my canvassing in this campaign.  They spout talking points from Faux Noise, which get dismantled one by one.  They just dismiss the truth and skip over to the next argument.  They're as slippery as eels, always moving and shifting.  Once they get pinned down, they get angry.  They don't want to know the truth and they won't discuss what truly troubles them, because they're too embarrassed to admit it openly.

          "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

          by PrahaPartizan on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:30:06 PM PST

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          •  This has been building for over 20 years now (9+ / 0-)

            Since Rush came on the scene in the late 80s and Fox, O'Really,Hannity et al shortly thereafter. It always strikes me when talking to R's how well armed they are with their own facts that they picked up from the RW Noise Machine even when easily debunked, they then spew out another one. Blows my mind when seemingly nice intelligent people transform into propaganda channels right before my eyes. It's like a CULT has taken over their minds and they just can't help it. I wonder how many have been jolted back towards reality?

            •  Probably Not Very Many (0+ / 0-)

              I got into a discussion with one the Saturday before the Election.  He asked me what I thought the outcome would be.  I told him that I thought in the end Obama would win with about 300 EV and have a 2-3% PV advantage over Romney.  He pretty much went ballistic, asking how I could dispute the 7% lead Gallup was forecasting.  I told him that Gallup's methodology was flawed and mentioned the Marist poll reported that Friday.  He opined Marist had a liberal bias, and I told him that's funny because I had always felt Marist leaned right.  He then brought up Dick Morris's prediction.  I told him Morris hadn't been right in twenty years and that Nate Silver's analysis seemed more focused.  Nothing could break through the defense shields.  He wouldn't and couldn't make himself listen to any of it.  If most of them are like this fellow, they'll just continue to live in their own little universe as it wraps itself tighter and tighter until it evaporates like a small black hole when most of them pass on.  The politics of spite is not a pretty sight.

              "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

              by PrahaPartizan on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 02:51:27 PM PST

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            •  Some need to be deprogrammed like cult members (0+ / 0-)

              I am not exaggerating.

        •  They (2+ / 0-)
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          may not all be haters, but the ones who don't realize he lowered their taxes clearly must not pay much attention to the taxes they pay, so I think it's fair to question their intelligence.

          •  there are different kind of intelligence (0+ / 0-)

            there are reasonably bright people who do not like to read.
            Are not intellectually curious or questioning.

            Those people hear something on Fox while being surrounded in Red  neighborhoods with like minded people...those hoards of people will easily fall to propaganda.

            Yet, they may not be haters or racist.

    •  quibble time (2+ / 0-)
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      Others distrust him and lack the time bandwidth...
      1. Where did that distrust come from? Having the time to sit and listen to propaganda over and over.
      2. I reject the 'lack of time' argument in a society where more people could pick Kim Kardashian out of a line up than name a single SCOTUS justice. Where more votes are cast for American Idol than for president (voting 'intelligently' in AI takes a lot of research and time to watch every episode). Where the two best subjects of expertise nationwide are sports and television.

      Yes there are people who are actually so busy they paid little attention to this race, but that is a very small minority. It is far more accurate to say the vast majority of those pulled in by RW propaganda have their priorities out of whack. Carving out time equal to two sitcoms a week, for a six-week period once every four years, would not be too hard a task for anyone I know. Especially in the DVR era.

      R-Money/R-Ayn, the ENRON Ticket, is not a campaign; it's a hostile takeover bid.

      by kamarvt on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:10:45 AM PST

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    •  Fox on over the air TV is NOT (0+ / 0-)

      the same as FoxNews™ which is on Cable only.

      Some of the FoxNews bit are replayed on their on air channels. Fox here in Albuquerque dropped its local news and it is done by channel 13 which is the CBS channel. The owners of 13 are very conservative - but it does not touch FoxNews™ which if you had watched in all its glory you wouldn't confuse them.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 12:20:44 AM PST

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