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  •  US per/capita CO2 emissions have decreased 5%.... (0+ / 0-)

    ..since 1990.

    Clearly, the US is not the problem.

    Same can't be said for other countries, however.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:53:12 PM PST

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    •  The us is a huge fucking problem (2+ / 0-)
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      And a relatively small dip due to a major recession and an increase in natural gas that isn't at all sustainable is no solution at all. If your plan is to blame other countries then you have no plan.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 09:10:26 PM PST

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    •  And how (1+ / 0-)
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      does the US, short of war, tell other nations to cease polluting and consuming resources? What gives the US the right to say that we can become an industrialized super power along with all of the pollution and technological innovation from coal, oil, to green energy that took place throughout our history as we progressed socially and technologically, but other nations can not because the cost is too great? If we are going to say that other nations can not attain the technological level and standard of living that we currently enjoy, then in order to have a ethical leg to stand on we must offer green energy assistance and development to those developing nations. We need that development here first before we have a hope of helping others. A great deal of US coal extraction isn't being used here after all, we are selling it to China.

      Further more, the peoples of developing industrialized nations such as India, China, and South Africa look to the US life style of unsustainable consumption and wish to achieve that for themselves to pull themselves out of poverty and unhappiness and become "modern" as the West has defined it. We in the US must act first to achieve sustainability if there is any hope of such a movement for sustainability to spread globally, anything less is externalizing the costs of our luxurious and unsustainable multi-earth consumption footprint on the backs of economically subjugated third world peoples who then MUST remain subjugated if we wish to try and prolong the status quo further before eventual climate, resource, and population collapse puts an end to civilization as we understand it.

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