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  •  I think the point is (6+ / 0-)

    that Obama didn't actually have the worst debate performance of all time but that a crooked media and an all too cooperative left drove that narrative for all it was worth to make it appear like the worst debate ever.  

    The fact is that candidates have sucked so much more than that and not been punished for it in the polls, the press or by their own supporters.  Obama wasn't the one lying his ass off and changing half his positions and setting himself up for being skewered in the next two debates and losing the election.  That was Mitt Romney.  

    When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 04:59:07 PM PST

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    •  Politics is perception. (2+ / 0-)
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      If Obama's performance didn't win the narrative, he fucked up. Pure and simple. You can't claim that the same media was crooked the first time, but not the second and the third.

      In retrospect, I love that he fucked up. Of course it would have been horrible had we lost, but we didn't. I don't know, I enjoyed his arrogance and contempt for Romney, Lehrer and the whole stupid clown show.

      Have you googled Romney today?

      by fou on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:07:59 PM PST

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      •  For God's sake, fou! (1+ / 0-)
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        What do you think the same CNN/ORC poll said, compared to other polls, after the second and third debates?  It was still massively biased against Obama compared to other polls -- it was just drowned out by other polls that weren't and people's own untainted perceptions.  It was so biased that they had to note it on their technical report page -- in small print that few would see.

        Pro-Occupy Democratic Candidate for California State Senate, District 29 & Occupy OC Civic Liaison.

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinsky

        by Seneca Doane on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:17:41 PM PST

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        •  I don't care. He won. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          Have you googled Romney today?

          by fou on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:20:15 PM PST

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          •  I care (4+ / 0-)
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            There will be other elections -- and CNN will try to do the same damn thing.

            Pro-Occupy Democratic Candidate for California State Senate, District 29 & Occupy OC Civic Liaison.

            "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinsky

            by Seneca Doane on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:21:07 PM PST

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            •  So what. Let them. By now you should know (0+ / 0-)

              that CNN saw a tie whenever Obama was ahead by 5, and Romney with major momentum when a poll showed Obama +1.   They took major lumps from conservatives when they were more on the liberal side (during the Clinton years) and have been trying to overcompensate into the other direction ever since.  

              In addition to their overcompensation and their general "need" to create a horserace for ratings and ad Dollars, there is also a "real" substantive movement to the right to attract conservative viewers in CNN land, as seen via  several right-wing analyst hires (including right-wing nutjob Erick Erickson.)

              But, BUT:

              1. Why would what CNN does or doesn't do (including publishing a snap poll that included more Republicans than Democrats) be the topic of an investigative diary the day after?   Who cares?  FoxNews had Karl Rove performing cartwheels and Frank Luntz showing a focus group that claimed that the Kenyan-Indonesian-Socialist-Nazi-Atheist-Muslim has a lazy eye and his pocket teleprompter ran out of batteries.   SO WHAT?   Move on.  Work on shaping the next news cycle to change the narrative.  Don't worry about what a network obviously interested in creating a horse race does or doesn't do.  Sure, a comment here and there about how CNN has gone to the dogs, but a whole whiny diary?

              2.  And now you are doubling down with another installation of a whine fest?  Why?  WHY?   This diary is clearly a vanity.  The comment and attack on kos should have been in the form of a simple comment in the article this diary decries.   That would have been the proper way, as that would have opened a dialogue within the thread you have a problem with, with the OP of that thread (kos) then being asked for a response.   Calling him out with a vanity diary is childish, serves no purpose other than the selfish need to express outrage at what in the end is a simple disagreement.

               

        •  Yeah I thought the 3rd debate was like Ali (0+ / 0-)

          later in his career, he would rope a dope until the last round then do his Ali Shuffle.... dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

          When Bob said to Romney, "everyone likes teachers" it was like a ref stopping the fight and hugging the loser so they wont get hurt. Romney was punch drunk but didnt know it. Obama was like Ali, the champ and pretty.

          To me Obama utterly dominated Romney in the 3rd debate, unmatched by Romneys win in the first debate.

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:17:38 PM PST

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    •  This is a critique of a specific poll (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama could have done well or poorly.  The sample was going to be biased against him, CNN knew this at the outset, and CNN neglected to report the problem with the sample to the public, allowing people to believe that it was representative of the reaction of the entire population.

      This is not, except in an aside, about how well Obama did in the debate.  It's about how terribly CNN did in reporting it and how Markos thinks that calling them on it was unseemly.

      Pro-Occupy Democratic Candidate for California State Senate, District 29 & Occupy OC Civic Liaison.

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinsky

      by Seneca Doane on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:08:15 PM PST

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