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  •  Ah, Nooner. Always wrong, never in doubt. (22+ / 0-)

    Sure, America is a "center-right" nation. Or rather, it certainly looks like one if you never talk to anyone outside of a gated suburban community or a swanky cocktail party in Manhattan.

    But it's clearly center-left if you talk to any Hispanic-Americans. Or African-Americans. Or union workers. Or schoolteachers. Or working poor. Or....

    You know, all the people Nooner crosses the street to avoid.

    •  Liberals were 25% of the electorate (14+ / 0-)

      Perhaps the most ever, according to the exit polling. Obama won those people by 70%. No surprise.

      Obama also won moderates though, and by double digits, 56-41. They were another 41% of the electorate.

      So in the remaining 1/3 or so Romney won almost all of those people.

      That, to big thinkers like Peggy Noonan, who actually collects a paycheck for her drool, constitutes a "center right" nation.

      •  This was the most liberal-leaning election that I (23+ / 0-)

        can remember since I came of age in the late 1970s. Three states voted to allow gay marriage and another refused to ban it. Two states legalized marijuana, and not just for recreational use. And the people of California realized that they needed to raise taxes to solve their budget problems. Not to mention the new female senators (though we've still got a way to go on parity there). Throw in what happened in New Hampshire -- women taking the governorship, both senate seats and both congressional seats -- and it looks like the electorate is maybe, finally pushing back against the decades-long pull to the right.

        •  Ugh. It's too early. Should read not just for (8+ / 0-)

          medicinal use.

        •  I went back to 1976 exits and checked (17+ / 0-)

          The lowest was 16% self-identifying as liberal (in 1984). The highest, up until this year, was 22% in 2008. That's a significant jump.

          •  Wow, that's incredible (3+ / 0-)

            I had no idea, either.

          •  Ronnie was the master for fascist propaganda. (1+ / 0-)
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            He didn't know he was doing it. Seriously. He thought by pattern recognition and reasonableness, not by the harder standards of inductive logic.

            He was widely loved. His temperament and his voice got him that.

            He didn't have to think often. Well, apart from campaign work getting elected. For example consider the subliminal message hidden in this campaign slogan:

            Ronnie had no idea when he was reading that section of his speech that he was attacking the core of what James Madison, John Adams, and Hamilton had created. He never read the Federalist Papers.

            Or that he was turning on its head Lincoln's Second Inaugural. He did go to the Memorial and he did look at. But he did not understand that the Union is our blessing of justice and liberty from Madison, Jefferson and the other Founders:

            ...On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. ... Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

            One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. ..... Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

            With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

            Yet Ronnie opened his campaign in Mississippi. He kissed the Southern Strategy asses of the descendants of those Confederate traitors and slavers who would have destroyed the Union.  

            He did that and piled on against democracy and the constitution.

            Ronnie was in ways as dangerous a man as has lived in the United States of America. Far more effective than the likes of a Dick Cheney or a Joe McCarthy or a Rush Limbaugh.

        •  "Thank you !!" -- to Occupy Wall Street. (4+ / 0-)
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          mmacdDE, dkosdan, Janet 707, schnecke21

          OWS got through -- despite that corporate press insisted on putting its cameras on the mentally ill among the protestors and on long-term homeless who showed up to get filled tummies.

        •  New Hampshire (0+ / 0-)

          One of NH's women senators is a Tea Party type, though. All women in office are not of one mind, any more than all 57-year-old white millionaire men like me are Republicans, which I am certainly not and never would be...

    •  Peggy has no idea what "Left" means. (1+ / 0-)
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      Janet 707

      Seriously. Not one coherent notion.

      She copies Bullshit Mountain nonsense out of Hudson, AEI, and Heritage.

      Then pretends to be a Reagan surrogate.

      This gal was wonderful in her 30s and 40s. first-rate speech writer. Now, she could learn how and what to read. That would end her talking-head career instantly.

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