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  •  wow! from 35% to 49% in four years!? (11+ / 0-)

    that ought to make the GOP reassess things a bit.

    They're losing the cuban vote.

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:59:56 AM PST

    •  Older Cubanos expire like everyone else? (8+ / 0-)
      •  that's a 15% drop off in 4 years. they must be (11+ / 0-)

        dying like flies.

        or maybe they are happy to be able to travel to Cuba to see family members again and are keeping their (previous) political leanings to themselves.

        Lots of folks forgot Obama opened up family travel early in his first term.

        For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

        by mdmslle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:06:45 AM PST

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        •  The Cubans who fled Castro (4+ / 0-)
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          supported Batista and many lived very well under his rule. Supporting a corrupt authoritarian restricted aristocracy seems the normal order of the world to them.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          Back in power, Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[6] Batista's increasingly corrupt and repressive regime then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large multinational American corporations that had invested considerable amounts of money in Cuba.[6][7] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his anti-Communist secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from 1,000 to 20,000 people.

          Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

          by Just Bob on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:23:07 AM PST

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      •  there have been two generations of children for (5+ / 0-)
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        those who came in the 1950's...probably want to be able to go back and visit, help out economically, see relatives they never had a chance to know and buy one of those well maintained 55 chevys...

    •  we need to reverse our Cuba policy of 50+ yrs (14+ / 0-)

      Cuba would have been free and Castro deposed around 1989 (same time as Eastern Europe) but for Cuban Americans in Florida and "bad Democrats (on this issue)" like Dem NJ Sen Menendez.  US policy for decades in Eastern Europe was to engage and send students and professors, cultural groups, symphonies, etc to their countries to mingle and hear about the freedoms and economic well being in the West.  US policy in Cuba for the last 50+ years, driven by Cuban Americans in FL who have dreams of returning to Cuba and recovering their estates, homes and businesses (a false dream since even European and other investors have been buying up those assets) has been the opposite - to shun and boycott Cuba and prevent any contact by US cultural, university, and business with everyday Cubans.   Essentially no other country on planet Earth agrees with the failed US policy - but US politicians, afraid of the Cuban-American vote in swing state Florida, have slavishly supported the 50+ year old failed US policy.  Let's hope Obama fundamentally reverses that failed policy.  If not, we can expect the Castros to still be ruling an un-free Cuba even after Obama leaves office.

      •  And this election shows we're getting closer (5+ / 0-)
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        to reversing.

        It's always amazed me that the Democrats have not used something along the lines of "let's use capitalism in our fight with Cuba" and point to Vietnam as an example of what could happen if we opened up economic trade with Cuba.

      •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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        What is the point of continuing this stupid Cuban policy?

         We opened up travel for family members and the sky didn't fall, we didn't have the end of the world, Cuba didn't invade us, communism didn't take over our schools and.............. WE STILL WON FLORIDA!

        Good gracious, what more must happen before we stop it. Obama needs to do it in 2014. Give the party nominee. at least 2 yrs to overcome any negative fall out.

        This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

        by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:26:53 AM PST

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      •  My husband and I are going on (0+ / 0-)

        an "educational and cultural" trip to Cuba in two weeks. We are so looking forward to it.

    •  I'd like to know what percentage of (0+ / 0-)

      Those that voted for Obama were born in Cuba.

      My bet is almost none. And I'd bet that the percentage of Cuban Americans that were born in Cuba is pretty low too.

      •  actually (4+ / 0-)
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        The Bendixen & Amandi exit poll found Mr. Obama won by 60% to 40% among Cuban-Americans born in the U.S., while Mr. Romney prevailed by 55% to 45% among those born in Cuba.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:55:19 AM PST

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