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  •  The President does (10+ / 0-)

    not have a weakness with white voters.

    He has a weakness with white voters who are also racist.

    Big difference.

    Kathleen Sebelius 2016

    by pvlb on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:10:47 AM PST

    •  Sorry, it is not merely racism (8+ / 0-)

      it is cultural

      it is Southern and Appalachian whites, of whom not all who oppose him are racist.

      It is motivated by fear, stoked by those who benefit from racial fear and intolerance.

      "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

      by teacherken on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:15:07 AM PST

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      •  Classic R move (3+ / 0-)
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        That is why we need more "class warfare" as Democrats. Small government leaves Southern and Appalachian working class and poor whites in dire straights. Your important dental clinic work demonstrates that there are some things that the Democratic party can offer these folks that the Republicans never will.

        •  think about the following: (4+ / 0-)
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          "keep your government hands off my Medicare" -  that was a refrain that very much fueled the Tea Party movement, and it shows a real intellectual disconnect

          and in pointing to that, I think the Obama campaign really missed an opportunity not only to have properly framed the debate in the summer of 2009, but yet again in this election.

          There is no reason Florida should even have been close.  The Ryan budget devastates medicare, and there is no doubt the direction Romney would have gone.  Many seniors not only worry about their own coverage, but with what they have lived through what might happen to their children.

          And this issue by itself should have swung enough votes in both NC and AZ to have won those states.

          Still, I was glad to see Obama's victory speech returning to a sense of connection that he first laid out in his 2004 speech.  The question is can he govern like this.   Let me explain.

          He can reject what the Republicans are doing by challenging them with questions
          - how is their approach on taxes bringing Americans together?
          - how is their approach on regulation helping Americans in Red States as well as Blue States?
          -  Looking at the levels of poverty, obesity, lower education, in many Red states, how are the Republicans serving the people upon whose votes they depend?

          I think there is an opportunity, even with the current House in Republican hands, to so frame and shape the terms of debate as to start a major transformation of American society.

          There are two questions this raises with me

          1.  Is Obama willing to go this route, consistently?

          2.  Will the Village recognize how important this route is if America is not going to come apart over various divisions?

          As we watch how the approach to the non-existent crisis of the Fiscal Cliff unwinds, perhaps we will find out.

          "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

          by teacherken on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:35:19 AM PST

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        •  Yes, consider West Virginia. They gave their (0+ / 0-)

          electoral votes to two liberals from Massachusetts, Irish Catholic JFK and Greek-American Michael Dukakis.  Ther reason - in those years they voted their economic and class interests, helped along by a strong labor movement.

          Now West Virginia is a reliably red state at the Presidential level but not at the state level.  Who can doubt that cultural reasons have moved to the top.

          "Now go out there and make me do it!" - Franklin Roosevelt

          by brae70 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:26:42 AM PST

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      •  It's not really an Obama problem; It's a Dem (3+ / 0-)
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        Since 1980, no Democratic candidate for President has received more than 43% of the white vote.

        Obama did it in 2008, and Bill Clinton in 19996.

        Until the economy recovers, I'll settle for cheap laughs

        by Clyde the Cat on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:55:50 AM PST

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